Turn table cable run question

[John520]

Hey guys,
I just ordered a Pro-ject carbon turn table. I intend to have the turntable located at the back of my room. My Yamaha receiver is at the front of my room. I will need approximately a 50' cable to make the run through my attic space. I checked blue jeans and saw they wanted just under $200 for that amount of cable.

Will I have any audio quality issues with a run that long?

Anyone know where to find a cheaper good quality cable or am I just gonna have to bite the bullet on this one?

 

[ryanosaur]

I would do these instead... obviously will need two, but I use 25' runs for my Subs, past power lines and power strips with no interference.
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[lovinthehd]

Where is the phono pre-amp located, at the tt?

 

[TLS Guy]

Hey guys,
I just ordered a Pro-ject carbon turn table. I intend to have the turntable located at the back of my room. My Yamaha receiver is at the front of my room. I will need approximately a 50' cable to make the run through my attic space. I checked blue jeans and saw they wanted just under $200 for that amount of cable.

Will I have any audio quality issues with a run that long?

Anyone know where to find a cheaper good quality cable or am I just gonna have to bite the bullet on this one?

You absolutely can not run a turntable with a cable that long, unless you plug an RIAA preamp right at the turntable to line voltage. Then you plug that cable into a line input on the Yamaha. Quite honestly 50 ft is very long for any unbalanced cable. I strongly recommend you revise your plans.

 

[John520]

Where is the phono pre-amp located, at the tt?

I don't have a phono pre amp. This is my first turn table so I don't know much. My plan was to plug into my yamaha RX-A3080.

 

[John520]

You absolutely can not run a turntable with a cable that long, unless you plug an RIAA preamp right at the turntable to line voltage. Then you plug that cable into a line input on the Yamaha. Quite honestly 50 ft is very long for any unbalanced cable. I strongly recommend you revise your plans.

My yamaha has balanced outputs. Does that mean I can run a cable to a preamp located near my turn table?

 

[lovinthehd]

I don't have a phono pre amp. This is my first turn table so I don't know much. My plan was to plug into my yamaha RX-A3080.

Much too long a run for the cable then, due capacitance issues, you'd need a separate phono pre-amp near the tt for a run that long, and as was said for unbalanced that's still a very long run. I'd just move the tt closer to the receiver (can't imagine not wanting it in the vicinity myself).

The balanced connections on your Yamaha are for output, not input.

 

[John520]

Understood. I was gonna put it next to my amp and call it a day. However, my wife wanted the turn table behind our couch on a custom shelf I've been building for two weeks. The shelves would house records, books and the turn table. This is simply my attempt to up the WAF of my system. She'll get over it, thanks guys.

 

[lovinthehd]

Understood. I was gonna put it next to my amp and call it a day. However, my wife wanted the turn table behind our couch on a custom shelf I've been building for two weeks. The shelves would house records, books and the turn table. This is simply my attempt to up the WAF of my system. She'll get over it, thanks guys.

Or you could just get a separate phono pre-amp and give it a good ol' waf try. Something like an ART DJ II or Phono Plus....

 

[John520]

New question, do you recommend a phono pre amp without my absurd cable run?

 

[lovinthehd]

New question, do you recommend a phono pre amp without my absurd cable run?

Not particularly, for a short run the phono stage in your receiver should be just fine. I have an ART Phono Plus unit, got it for digitizing vinyl, but I don't see any particular advantage aside from better level adjustment than my avr (and for regular use I still just use the avr's phono stage and adjust level input there).

 

[TLS Guy]

New question, do you recommend a phono pre amp without my absurd cable run?

No. I would just keep your turntable next to the receiver. Make sure your turntable has a phono input. If not then you will need a preamp.

 

[Speedskater]

There are many used phono-pre-amps out there. Ones that have a line or tape output before the volume and EQ stages. It could be placed by the TT with a long run to the receiver.

 

[Mikado463]

No. I would just keep your turntable next to the receiver. Make sure your turntable has a phono input. If not then you will need a preamp.

I think the good doctor meant 'receiver has a phono input' , regardless, assuming your receiver does you must verify that it has enough gain for the cartridge you will be using.

 

[Cjamrr]

Understood. I was gonna put it next to my amp and call it a day. However, my wife wanted the turn table behind our couch on a custom shelf I've been building for two weeks. The shelves would house records, books and the turn table. This is simply my attempt to up the WAF of my system. She'll get over it, thanks guys.

I put my turntable 30 feet away from my preamp or front Tv wall and it works great. You just need those Monoprice High-quality Coaxial Audio/Video RCA CL2 Rated Cable that your talking about. I went to a great stereo store by my home and they cut the cables to the length that I needed and gave me the plug ends to solder on and they recommended a good phonostage and said it will be fine.
Plug your turntable into a good phono stage input and connect your 50’ cable to the output going 50’ to your reciever or preamp. I ran a small ground wire with the cable to each end to ground the TT to the receiver or preamp, Bingo. Play your records from the back of the room and not have to worry about walking in front of everybody to play a record.

 

[Mikado463]

I put my turntable 30 feet away from my preamp or front Tv wall and it works great. You just need those Monoprice High-quality Coaxial Audio/Video RCA CL2 Rated Cable that your talking about. I went to a great stereo store by my home and they cut the cables to the length that I needed and gave me the plug ends to solder on and they recommended a good phonostage and said it will be fine.
Plug your turntable into a good phono stage input and connect your 50’ cable to the output going 50’ to your reciever or preamp. I ran a small ground wire with the cable to each end to ground the TT to the receiver or preamp, Bingo. Play your records from the back of the room and not have to worry about walking in front of everybody to play a record.

what cartridge are you running ? MC or MM ? Obviously a short run from TT to phono-pre. While I won't argue that it worked for you it is by no means an ideal set up.

 

[Cjamrr]

what cartridge are you running ? MC or MM ? Obviously a short run from TT to phono-pre. While I won't argue that it worked for you it is by no means an ideal set up.

I’m using 2 record players through a switch box hooked into “musical surroundings phonomena” phono stage using a Shure 45HE MM Jico replacement stylus on my Technics SL-1700mk2 and a Grado Red1 MM on my Pioneer pL-300. turntable. Then I’m running that premium RCA cable out of the phono stage 50 feet to my preamp.

 

[Mikado463]

I’m using 2 record players through a switch box hooked into “musical surroundings phonomena” phono stage using a Shure 45HE MM Jico replacement stylus on my Technics SL-1700mk2 and a Grado Red1 MM on my Pioneer pL-300. turntable. Then I’m running that premium RCA cable out of the phono stage 50 feet to my preamp.

gotcha, love those classic receivers, Pioneer ? where do they fit in the mix ?

 

[Cjamrr]

gotcha, love those classic receivers, Pioneer ? where do they fit in the mix ?

Just use them to elevate my turntables. I bought the sx980 on the left in 1978. They’re nearly in mint condition. All the lights work, I blew the transistors. I need to get both pioneer transistors replaced by stereo rehab in Chicago. maybe someday I’ll pay to have them fixed but I am trying to get a new preamp now.