Mono price 3 monolith vs 3 outlaw 2200s

[AcuDefTechGuy]

So you think roughly 80wpc is enough with multichannel driven during movies? I’d like to try and get the most performance out of my front 3.

So your front 3 speakers don't sound that great now and you want to improve the sound?

Or you want to add amps just in case your speakers need it?

 

[lovinthehd]

So you think roughly 80wpc is enough with multichannel driven during movies? I’d like to try and get the most performance out of my front 3.

It doesn't quite work that way, tho. Your avr is rated 120wpc (8 ohm). I'd not buy extra amps just for those speakers, I'd get better speakers first.

 

[ryanosaur]

So your front 3 speakers don't sound that great now and you want to improve the sound?

Or you want to add amps just in case your speakers need it?

Hmmm... B&W 600 series, with the known low impedance below 3 Ohms, and 87-88dB sensitivity. And many other problems...

I'd not buy extra amps just for those speakers, I'd get better speakers first.

This!

You don't need amps. You need better speakers.

 

[PENG]

I would wait until Amir measured the Outlaw monoblock I sent him before deciding!
Just keep an eye on this thread:

The popular Outlaw M2200 mono block power amp

As more people going beyond 5 channels, I can see the need for external power amps may also increase. The Outlaw Mono block M2200 and multi-channel amps, as well Monolith's and Emotiva''s seem to be the most recommended amps on this forum. For some strange reason, I cannot find my Adcom...

forums.audioholics.com

It should happen in 2 to 3 weeks and may reveal a weakness or that Outlaw underrated these amps.
I believe the Monolith has been measured (it has here at AH, but I don't think the monolith 3 configurations has been measured yet).
You might give Outlaw a call to see how long the sale will last.
I have a Monolith 5 that has a kind of loud transformer(s). The Outlaw 2200's (and m200's) are good and quiet, so I would go with the Outlaw based on that, but YMMV!

Yes, it was tested/measured with impressive output:

Monolith measurements by AH

For the M2200, based on the results of its predecessor, the M200, would output about 200 W as rated, but likely at 1% THD, i.e. a little less at 0.1% If that's the case (won't know for sure until Amir measured it), the Monolith would be slightly, but negligibly (250 Vs 200 W??) more powerful.

I don't know about Monolith's transformer hum but my M2200 is also quiet, quieter than my other power amps that cost much more.

 

[Ken32]

So your front 3 speakers don't sound that great now and you want to improve the sound?

Or you want to add amps just in case your speakers need it?

Mainly the thought that they need it to perform their best at reference levels‍ I think they sound fine. That’s just me though.

 

[Ken32]

Hmmm... B&W 600 series, with the known low impedance below 3 Ohms, and 87-88dB sensitivity. And many other problems...


This!

You don't need amps. You need better speakers.

Guess i may try the Polk LSiM 705s i can get them new for 1200 shipped for the pair. From what I’ve seen they measure very well.

 

[ryanosaur]

Based on previous conversations about these speakers, I will say it now:
You are opening the door to overtaxing the amp stage of your AVR, as It is not likely designed to operate below 3 Ohms. As I understand things, you also have a bad Phase Angle near that low impedance point, which only exacerbates the potential for over-stressing your AVR.

 

[ryanosaur]

Guess i may try the Polk LSiM 705s i can get them new for 1200 shipped for the pair. From what I’ve seen they measure very well.

Those speakers have the exact same problem. Poorly designed with low impedance at a bad phase angle.
There have been several threads here on speakers like these. I try not to be as dogmatic as some, but this is a case of potentially blowing your rig.

 

[lovinthehd]

Mainly the thought that they need it to perform their best at reference levels‍♂ I think they sound fine. That’s just me though.

Are you listening at actual reference (i.e. THX standard) levels?

 

[Ken32]

Are you listening at actual reference (i.e. THX standard) levels?

Not at the moment in fear of clipping. I’d like to though!

 

[Ken32]

Those speakers have the exact same problem. Poorly designed with low impedance at a bad phase angle.
There have been several threads here on speakers like these. I try not to be as dogmatic as some, but this is a case of potentially blowing your rig.

So, I’m confused.... Would an amp be beneficial to me for these? Or no? My current unit from what i know goes down to 4 ohm. I don’t know if any more past that. If the B&W Dip so low... it makes sense to add more power. Or am i looking at it wrong?

 

[lovinthehd]

So, I’m confused.... Would an amp be beneficial to me for these? Or no? My current unit from what i know goes down to 4 ohm. I don’t know if any more past that. If the B&W Dip so low... it makes sense to add more power. Or am i looking at it wrong?

Try this https://www.stereophile.com/content/bowers-wilkins-683-s2-loudspeaker-measurements

As to a more powerful amp capable of lower impedance helping out, could well be with these speakers, particularly for use at higher levels. Your avr can handle some 3 ohm load but not as much as a more capable amp.

 

[Ken32]

Try this https://www.stereophile.com/content/bowers-wilkins-683-s2-loudspeaker-measurements

As to a more powerful amp capable of lower impedance helping out, could well be with these speakers, particularly for use at higher levels. Your avr can handle some 3 ohm load but not as much as a more capable amp.

So, they seem to stay around that area quite a bit from what I've seen. Should i set my unit to 4 ohm or leave it set at 6ohm? From what the manual said "6 ohm covers that and above 8-16 ohm" i believe. 4 ohm, obviously itself and below.....

 

[lovinthehd]

So, they seem to stay around that area quite a bit from what I've seen. Should i set my unit to 4 ohm or leave it set at 6ohm? From what the manual said "6 ohm covers that and above 8-16 ohm" i believe. 4 ohm, obviously itself and below.....

Generally advised to leave it at the higher setting, as its mostly about limiting the output. Try this article https://www.audioholics.com/audio-amplifier/impedance-selector-switch-1

 

[Ken32]

Generally advised to leave it at the higher setting, as its mostly about limiting the output. Try this article https://www.audioholics.com/audio-amplifier/impedance-selector-switch-1

It looks like the stereo article you sent had good things to say about my towers especially in the 1650 price range. Luckily for me I purchased them new for 1200otd and 400 for my matching center (HTM61s2) 4 months ago.

I still may try them LSIM's for the cheap price they're asking. Even if they do have dips down low regarding ohms. Nothing a decent amp couldn't fix/handle. I'm also curious on the new Emotiva T2+ series.

 

[Ken32]

Those speakers have the exact same problem. Poorly designed with low impedance at a bad phase angle.
There have been several threads here on speakers like these. I try not to be as dogmatic as some, but this is a case of potentially blowing your rig.

I've thought about amps for some time now honestly. Whether i need them or not. To me, i guess it's more of a want. I definitely don't want to blow my rig. That would suck!

In any case, I'd love to hear the LSIM next to my 683s to see the difference. Other sites I've read on say the LSIM are highly regarded when powered properly. Especially when they're on sale. I've mentioned before I loved my RTIa7's when i ran them. I just felt the B&W had better clarity in the mid range area... Worth it for double the price of the A7s? Probably not but it's what i wanted at the time. for 600 a pair the A7s are pretty good IMO. I've read the LSIM line is leaps above the RTI line. I have no clue though.

I'll probably grab 3 monoblocks from them during that sale and grab them polks before they sell out to try them as well. Even if I don't need them.... I can say I have them