Looking for new a AV Pre-Pros with full sound in surround

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Jacoviii

Audiophyte
Ok so I have Klipsch Rf-72 , Rc-62 (soon to be RC-64 ii) sb Rf-52. soon to add atmos. running off a old HK AVR340 for now.
I'm looking for a AV pre-pro that has full sound. I know most AV when in Dolby even if you set the front L,C,R to large+LFe the low end is cut out of the L,R. I seen a video where Gene talked about the Emotiva XMR-1 having that ability.
So my quetion is what else is out there that can do this?
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
I think you're talking about "double bass" or equivalent because you want MORE BASS in your system.

Many AVR and Pre-pro have this type of feature.

However, if it were me, I would just set all speakers to small and let the Subwoofers take all the beating.

When I owned big towers like Revel Salon2, B&W 802 D2, and Philharmonic 3, I always set them to small and let my subs do all the heavy lifting.
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

Audioholic Overlord
I concur... the right XO to your Sub will also result in more clarity up top.
 
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Gmoney

Audioholic Ninja
I’m in the champ of running L/R mains to full! Plus Double bass! Plus Sub runs a lil hot! I want my money’s Worth! I. don’t want Wimpy base from my towers! :D
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I’m in the champ of running L/R mains to full! Plus Double bass! Plus Sub runs a lil hot! I want my money’s Worth! I. don’t want Wimpy base from my towers! :D
Well, maybe your room happens to be good for that, or your towers do better in bass than your subs I would think for most people setting towers (yes even big capable towers) to small and XO=60 Hz or higher will do better in bass. Big towers full range means more chance of bass cancellation between them and the subs.
 
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Jacoviii

Audiophyte
I know my HK avr340 is out dated but I'm sick of the anemic front stage. It sounds good in 2ch & 4ch stereo mode for music. Anything other settings cuts the full range too much.
 
Jon AA

Jon AA

Audioholic
So my quetion is what else is out there that can do this?
All Denon and Marantz AVRs have that option. As many have said, most will have better luck without running "double bass"--LFE+Main in the D&M AVRs. However, my view is less absolutist than most on the subject--in different rooms with different speakers and different subs, sometimes what gives you the best actual results isn't what "should be" best on paper, so it's a nice option to have in your toolbox.
 
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Gmoney

Audioholic Ninja
Well, maybe your room happens to be good for that, or your towers do better in bass than your subs I would think for most people setting towers (yes even big capable towers) to small and XO=60 Hz or higher will do better in bass. Big towers full range means more chance of bass cancellation between them and the subs.
True PENG, but you’re right on bass heavy music i do get bass cancellation not much but it’s there.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
I think you're talking about "double bass" or equivalent because you want MORE BASS in your system.

Many AVR and Pre-pro have this type of feature.

However, if it were me, I would just set all speakers to small and let the Subwoofers take all the beating.

When I owned big towers like Revel Salon2, B&W 802 D2, and Philharmonic 3, I always set them to small and let my subs do all the heavy lifting.
I don't think is a hard and fast rule on that. I have been tweaking my main system lately. It sounds and measures best with all speakers except the ceiling set to large. In the last room the best results were with the crossover set to 60 Hz in this room it is 40 Hz. I did listen to it with full crossovers at 40Hz. However it does sound better with the LFE + main setting. The sense of space is increased. That may be because all bass frequencies are sent to the big line and in stereo mode because of my active BSC system. The woofer outputs is also blended obviously which is mono.

I have been really lucky with this room. It sounds and measures well. There are no significant bass drop outs or peaks anywhere. The only thing is a slight rise in response in the 25 to 20 Hz regions. For some reason the highest level is at 20 Hz. This is all excellent as it means the crossover from the center, midlines, surrounds and rear backs is largely acoustic. So the time delay is minimal phase shift. All the f3s are in the 35 to 45 Hz region, except the surrounds at 52Hz. an added bonus of the lower crossover is that the slight peaking at the acoustic handover of the two lines in the main speakers is now gone. This was at 40 Hz.

The effect is excellent. This room seems easier to pressurize in the bass, even though it is bigger, I think because the room has less bass leakage and above all is more solid by far. In addition there is heavy damping below the floor and behind all walls. Two of the four walls are concrete, but there is deadening material between the sheet rock and the polystyrene ICF blocks over the concrete. I did this because concrete does not have the best sonic adsorption pattern and polystyrene resonates violently at 1000 Hz. Since this was new room I was able to set the dimension ratios. It seems to have worked for me.

The room is very neutral and so makes speaker evaluation easier and more reliable. I'm convinced in a room like this you can keep the sound coherent and minimize time shifts which you can't do with high order crossover and physically separating bass fundamentals from their harmonics. This latter is something that Ted Jordan was always pointing out and I believe him to be correct about this. Getting all this right does provide a big added measure of acoustic space and depth.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
I don't think is a hard and fast rule on that. I have been tweaking my main system lately. It sounds and measures best with all speakers except the ceiling set to large. In the last room the best results were with the crossover set to 60 Hz in this room it is 40 Hz. I did listen to it with full crossovers at 40Hz. However it does sound better with the LFE + main setting. The sense of space is increased. That may be because all bass frequencies are sent to the big line and in stereo mode because of my active BSC system. The woofer outputs is also blended obviously which is mono.

I have been really lucky with this room. It sounds and measures well. There are no significant bass drop outs or peaks anywhere. The only thing is a slight rise in response in the 25 to 20 Hz regions. For some reason the highest level is at 20 Hz. This is all excellent as it means the crossover from the center, midlines, surrounds and rear backs is largely acoustic. So the time delay is minimal phase shift. All the f3s are in the 35 to 45 Hz region, except the surrounds at 52Hz. an added bonus of the lower crossover is that the slight peaking at the acoustic handover of the two lines in the main speakers is now gone. This was at 40 Hz.

The effect is excellent. This room seems easier to pressurize in the bass, even though it is bigger, I think because the room has less bass leakage and above all is more solid by far. In addition there is heavy damping below the floor and behind all walls. Two of the four walls are concrete, but there is deadening material between the sheet rock and the polystyrene ICF blocks over the concrete. I did this because concrete does not have the best sonic adsorption pattern and polystyrene resonates violently at 1000 Hz. Since this was new room I was able to set the dimension ratios. It seems to have worked for me.

The room is very neutral and so makes speaker evaluation easier and more reliable. I'm convinced in a room like this you can keep the sound coherent and minimize time shifts which you can't do with high order crossover and physically separating bass fundamentals from their harmonics. This latter is something that Ted Jordan was always pointing out and I believe him to be correct about this. Getting all this right does provide a big added measure of acoustic space and depth.
Agreed, have to tried both, in fact all combinations including different crossover points and then pick the most pleasing one.
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

Audioholic Jedi
Whatever sounds best is the right answer as always.

I’ve tried Large, Large + LFE (double bass), and Small speaker settings. They can all sound great.
 
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