New to the Forum need some help.

[CARTMAN]

Good morning to all. As i stated I am new to the forum and am seeking some advice .
Current set up is a Sony 940 tv, New Arcam 390 with older Klipch reference series LR towers, center, 12" sub one, LR surround, LR surround back. The reason I have a new Arcam was the Marantz 7012 had HDMI issues and the repair was still pending after 3 months so I was refunded and the manager suggested the Arcam 390. I was in the market for a turntable and the ability to pump mucis to the fornt patio, the pool and the outdoor kitchen so he recommended the Pro Ject Juckbox S2 turntable as well as the Heos 4 zone drive.
Get home all excited to get things going and nothing but frustrations. Turn table doesen't work because there isn't a phono port on the Arcam thus additional amp required. The Marantz heos the Arcam does not. I will have to use one zone in order to connect to the Arcam. SO many different remotes nothing plays well with each other.....
So.....
Everything is going back !!!!!!
Here is where you can help me please.
My intent is to set up for 11 channels from the current 7 channel.
I was just watching one of Genes youtube videos were he was talking about the Dennon x3600. It pretty much has all the bells and whistles I am looking for. However, he stated in order to enjoy the sterio , a seperate 2 ch amp for the front LR is required. So with the 3600 coming in at $900.00 I was considering the Rotel 120w 2 ch amp @ $800.00 or the 160w 2 ch @ $1200. So then I looked at the Dennon X6500 @ $2000 . My mind is smoking. Not sure which way to go....Is there a better solution where everything plays well together? Don't really have a large budget but not so short to get what I need.
I am undergoing this transformation because I love my music and love av theater setup. I want to enjoy it not fight to make thing work.
Sorry about the rant I am just frustrated. Your positive feedback is welcomed

 

[snakeeyes]

There’s also the Denon 4500 and Klipsch are usually highly efficient, easy to power.

 

[Swerd]

CARTMAN – Welcome to Audioholics!

Sorry if it feels like you have to fight just to learn what set you need and how to get it working. Don't despair, we've all been there at one time or another.

Current set up is a Sony 940 tv, New Arcam 390 with older Klipch reference series LR towers, center, 12" sub one, LR surround, LR surround back.

My intent is to set up for 11 channels from the current 7 channel.
I was just watching one of Genes youtube videos were he was talking about the Dennon x3600. It pretty much has all the bells and whistles I am looking for. However, he stated in order to enjoy the sterio , a seperate 2 ch amp for the front LR is required.

So with the 3600 coming in at $900.00 I was considering the Rotel 120w 2 ch amp @ $800.00 or the 160w 2 ch @ $1200. So then I looked at the Dennon X6500 @ $2000 . My mind is smoking. Not sure which way to go....Is there a better solution where everything plays well together? Don't really have a large budget but not so short to get what I need.

Snakeeyes just said this above. Your Klipsch speakers may be easy enough to drive without needing an external 2-channel amp. What model are they? We can look up what Klipsch says about their power needs.

I was in the market for a turntable and the ability to pump mucis to the fornt patio, the pool and the outdoor kitchen…

Are you looking to set up a 2-zone system where the 2nd zone is your front patio, pool & outdoor kitchen? If so, you probably will need a separate amplifier to drive the outdoor speakers while still using the AVR indoors as the switch center.

Again, it depends on the power needs of the speakers, but I think you can find something less expensive than those Rotel amps.

As far as "pumping mucis" to those locations, you're on your own . I don't think I want to help you with that.

 

[Pogre]

I was just watching one of Genes youtube videos were he was talking about the Dennon x3600. It pretty much has all the bells and whistles I am looking for. However, he stated in order to enjoy the sterio , a seperate 2 ch amp for the front LR is required.

That doesn't sound like something gene would say unless you have low impedance speakers that are difficult to drive. Do you remember which video he said that in?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Authoritah...

 

[CARTMAN]

OK thank you...

 

[CARTMAN]

That doesn't sound like something gene would say unless you have low impedance speakers that are difficult to drive. Do you remember which video he said that in?

Denon AVR-X3600H 11CH Atmos/DTS:X AV Preamp for $1,100?!? Please don't takr this out of context...... He is was ref. adding the seperate in order to really apprciate the 2 channel aspect ie.... front L & R .

 

[CARTMAN]

CARTMAN – Welcome to Audioholics!

Sorry if it feels like you have to fight just to learn what set you need and how to get it working. Don't despair, we've all been there at one time or another.
Snakeeyes just said this above. Your Klipsch speakers may be easy enough to drive without needing an external 2-channel amp. What model are they? We can look up what Klipsch says about their power needs.

Are you looking to set up a 2-zone system where the 2nd zone is your front patio, pool & outdoor kitchen? If so, you probably will need a separate amplifier to drive the outdoor speakers while still using the AVR indoors as the switch center.

Again, it depends on the power needs of the speakers, but I think you can find something less expensive than those Rotel amps.

As far as "pumping music" to those locations, you're on your own . I don't think I want to help you with that.

I am sorry i wasn't clear about the different zones.
Entertainment Room is the main room where everything resides.
The pool area is outside another zone where I have 2 deftech AW 6500's outdoor speakers .
The kitchen living dining is another zone I have 6 ceiling speakers.
The front porch is a zone where I have 2 deftech AW 6500's outdoor speakers.
The outdoor kitchen is in back as another zone where I have 2 deftech AW 6500's outdoor speakers.
So...... I think I am going to head down the road with the Dennon x6500H 11 channel keep the Heos 4 zone drive and if in the future I need to get more power the add a amp.

Any other thoughts?

 

[Swerd]

I am sorry i wasn't clear about the different zones.
Entertainment Room is the main room where everything resides.
The pool area is outside another zone where I have 2 deftech AW 6500's outdoor speakers .
The kitchen living dining is another zone I have 6 ceiling speakers.
The front porch is a zone where I have 2 deftech AW 6500's outdoor speakers.
The outdoor kitchen is in back as another zone where I have 2 deftech AW 6500's outdoor speakers.
So...... I think I am going to head down the road with the Dennon x6500H 11 channel keep the Heos 4 zone drive and if in the future I need to get more power the add a amp.

Any other thoughts?

Thanks. You have 4 additional zones. Because I have only limited experience helping my brother install one additional zone, you already know more than I do on the subject . I'll occasionally nod my head intelligently, while keeping my mouth shut.

 

[lovinthehd]

More reasonably priced power amp, whether for your mains or zone use, might be something like one of the Crown XLS amps. What powers the zone speakers currently, tho?

 

[Pogre]

Denon AVR-X3600H 11CH Atmos/DTS:X AV Preamp for $1,100?!? Please don't takr this out of context...... He is was ref. adding the seperate in order to really apprciate the 2 channel aspect ie.... front L & R .

Again, that doesn't sound like something gene would say without at least some qualifiers. The speakers you have shouldn't be a problem for that avr in terms of 2 channel appreciation. He might recommend something like that for speakers that are difficult to drive, but a separate won't really make much of a difference with your Klipsch speakers.

 

[CARTMAN]

CARTMAN – Welcome to Audioholics!

Sorry if it feels like you have to fight just to learn what set you need and how to get it working. Don't despair, we've all been there at one time or another.
Snakeeyes just said this above. Your Klipsch speakers may be easy enough to drive without needing an external 2-channel amp. What model are they? We can look up what Klipsch says about their power needs.

Are you looking to set up a 2-zone system where the 2nd zone is your front patio, pool & outdoor kitchen? If so, you probably will need a separate amplifier to drive the outdoor speakers while still using the AVR indoors as the switch center.

Again, it depends on the power needs of the speakers, but I think you can find something less expensive than those Rotel amps.

As far as "pumping mucis" to those locations, you're on your own . I don't think I want to help you with that.

The Center channel is the Ref lV RC52 8 ohm 125watts max, the surrounds are Ref lV RF42 8 ohm 75 watts max (4 each) the towers are the Ref lV RF82 8 ohm 150 watts max, the Sub is the RW 12d.

To complicate things.............my neighbor just said he would sell me his B&W's CC6 S2 center, DM 602's with stands 2 ea, DM 602 with out stands 2 ea, and DM 603's towers 2 ea for $500.00 they are older speakers so I have no idea if it is worth getting them.
HELP !!!!! Someone stop the room from spinning please.

 

[CARTMAN]

Again, that doesn't sound like something gene would say without at least some qualifiers. The speakers you have shouldn't be a problem for that avr in terms of 2 channel appreciation. He might recommend something like that for speakers that are difficult to drive, but a separate won't really make much of a difference with your Klipsch speakers.

I think that is what he is refering to. This was a youtube video. I was not in communication with Gene.

 

[lovinthehd]

Amp needs could change quite a bit with those B&Ws, tho.

 

[PENG]

I think that is what he is refering to. This was a youtube video. I was not in communication with Gene.

What kind of older Klipsch ref L/R/C speakers do you have, and what is your seating distance and typical spl (85 dB avg is THX standard) watching movies?

The AVR-X6500H may satisfy you but you may be able to take advantage of a powerful external 2 or 3 ch amp down the road, so an AVR-X4500H, or SR7013 (I guess you may prefer Denon this time though) for less money + an external power amp may be a better and more flexible option.

 

[CARTMAN]

More reasonably priced power amp, whether for your mains or zone use, might be something like one of the Crown XLS amps. What powers the zone speakers currently, tho?

I am powering the external zones with the Heos Drive 4 zone Multi room amp....
Rated at 60 watts per channel into each of the 8 channels (20Hz~20kHz, .05% THD, 8 ohms, All Channels Driven), 1 or 2 stereo amp pairs can be bridged for single channel high power output (130 watts) and the HEOS Drive features low impedance drive capability (4 ohms).
Each zone features a stereo pair of pre-amp outputs, and each zone can be configured for stereo or mixed mono output. The matrix switching system features 2 x optical digital inputs, 2 x coaxial digital inputs and 4 x analog stereo inputs, any of which can be assigned to any zone and every zone features a dedicated USB port for connection to an external USB drive.
Equipped to handle virtually any combination of Speaker configurations, HEOS Drive features built-in DSP high pass/low pass filters – set any output to full range, Sub Woofer or Satellite Speaker modes with adjustable crossover points.
The Speaker outputs feature 4-way binding posts that are compatible with banana plug terminations and there are 4 12V trigger outputs. The chassis features quiet fan cooling for long term stability and operational reliability.

 

[CARTMAN]

Thanks. You have 4 additional zones. Because I have only limited experience helping my brother install one additional zone, you already know more than I do on the subject . I'll occasionally nod my head intelligently, while keeping my mouth shut.

No !!!!!! Please I respect and welcome your feed back. I haven't done this in many years and now that I just retired it is time for me to play. However, I want to do it right.

 

[lovinthehd]

I am powering the external zones with the Heos Drive 4 zone Multi room amp....
Rated at 60 watts per channel into each of the 8 channels (20Hz~20kHz, .05% THD, 8 ohms, All Channels Driven), 1 or 2 stereo amp pairs can be bridged for single channel high power output (130 watts) and the HEOS Drive features low impedance drive capability (4 ohms).
Each zone features a stereo pair of pre-amp outputs, and each zone can be configured for stereo or mixed mono output. The matrix switching system features 2 x optical digital inputs, 2 x coaxial digital inputs and 4 x analog stereo inputs, any of which can be assigned to any zone and every zone features a dedicated USB port for connection to an external USB drive.
Equipped to handle virtually any combination of Speaker configurations, HEOS Drive features built-in DSP high pass/low pass filters – set any output to full range, Sub Woofer or Satellite Speaker modes with adjustable crossover points.
The Speaker outputs feature 4-way binding posts that are compatible with banana plug terminations and there are 4 12V trigger outputs. The chassis features quiet fan cooling for long term stability and operational reliability.

Full descriptions of systems/gear is always good. Surprised the idiot salesman recommended Arcam knowing this....

 

[CARTMAN]

Amp needs could change quite a bit with those B&Ws, tho.

Is it worth chasing for $500.00 ?????? I have B&W Bookshelf and a sub in my master bedroom.

 

[CARTMAN]

What kind of older Klipsch ref L/R/C speakers do you have, and what is your seating distance and typical spl (85 dB avg is THX standard) watching movies?

The AVR-X6500H may satisfy you but you may be able to take advantage of a powerful external 2 or 3 ch amp down the road, so an AVR-X4500H, or SR7013 (I guess you may prefer Denon this time though) for less money + an external power amp may be a better and more flexible option.

That is what I am thinking. Thus the x6500h then add power in the future. I had the Marantz 7012 and loved it till I had a problem with it and after 3 months of waiting for the repair I jumped ship.

The Center channel is the Ref lV RC52 8 ohm 125watts max, the surrounds are Ref lV RF42 8 ohm 75 watts max (4 each) the towers are the Ref lV RF82 8 ohm 150 watts max, the Sub is the RW 12d.

To complicate things.............my neighbor just said he would sell me his B&W's CC6 S2 center, DM 602's with stands 2 ea, DM 602 with out stands 2 ea, and DM 603's towers 2 ea for $500.00 they are older speakers so I have no idea if it is worth getting them.
HELP !!!!! Someone stop the room from spinning please.