Is your TV doing an injustice to your Movie viewing enjoyment?

[lovinthehd]

See that’s what I mean by the room dictating the display! It’s the same with audio!

Once someone makes up their mind that they are satisfied that’s usually enough but even you clearly made your point that regardless of how good the picture is and how much of the original is recording captures everything in front of it it’s ok to sacrifice some of that sometimes even a lot for a big screen!

Yes, audio can be room limited, well aware of that. Still can enjoy it, tho. I do like my plasmas.

 

[HTfreak2004]

Actually no. I wasn’t saying that, although I do agree with that.
My point was, you asked a question with the title of this thread. Then someone chimes in saying no, my tv doesn’t take away from my experience, and even explained why, like 50 times. But you keep telling him all the ways He’s WRONG ABOUT HIS OWN EXPERIENCE. That’s why I said the title should be changed.

Actually the thread reads “movie viewing enjoyment” not experience!



Anyway the whole point has been lost for this thread in general! We need to agree on this point and everyone who has read or posted can’t deny get the largest screen your budget and room will handle.

Secondly pair that display with a system that makes sense and doesn’t dwarf the display!

Lastly if the display is to small it takes away impact. Notice I used cloverfield as an example movie that if watched through just a display and it’s crap speakers it will not make that flick even worth a view!

I posted this thread because the reviews I read focused on the picture and said nothing about the sound or just how difficult it is to make such a movie like cloverfield with such weak lighting to begin with!

Anyone who can maintain picture quality while doubling their display size or even sacrificing some will bring some justice to many flicks but clover field needed it for sure probably more than most films!

So to clarify I have watched tons of flicks without my system with a 65” display then gave up picture quality and a fuller picture capture to use my projector with the surround gear and already knew that the films I had recently viewed were short changed on the smaller display and they got the added impact big screen can deliver.

To make a seemingly meaningless point to capture a wider amount of detail actually reduces everything in the final product. To crop it for home formats is creating a zoomed image so things actually get distorted more when projected on a big screen. Sometimes that sucks but for the most part I choose impact over perfect contrast and more useless background but that’s me!

 

[Darenwh]

Largest screen possible does not trump quality of the image for most people. That is like saying loudest system possible trumps a good sounding system. Some may prefer large and loud but for many, likely most, quality is at least as important. If I had the choice of a 100” SD screen or a 65” or even 55” UHD screen I will take the quality image every time.

 

[Auditor55]

What size is your tv and are you using any surround gear?

65 inch and yes I do have surround. By the way, I'm one of those self described HT enthusiasts.
With that being said, I have watched movies on smaller screens without surround and have enjoyed them.

 

[HTfreak2004]

We’re way off topic from my very 1st post at this point that it’s not even the same subject anymore.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

We’re way off topic from my very 1st post at this point that it’s not even the same subject anymore.

I don’t know...seems like we’re still on point. Threads do evolve once in a while too.

 

[HTfreak2004]

It makes most sense not to evolve off topic on this one. It was never a topic introduced to compare display picture quality.

I was focused on movies that are not done justice without high end home theatre sound and gigantic picture.

A movie like cloverfield “isn’t” a video picture marvel it’s a hand held camcorder bouncing all over the place with terrible lighting yet it has amazing sound effects that a sound bar and 100 watt sub will never impress one with.

It’s easy to write a movie off as crap when you don’t have the gear to give it justice. A tv alone will not make that grade. I said in the posts I read on the cloverfield reviews people said nothing of its sound which at least led me to believe they were not impressed with at least that. They said nothing of its picture other than they got nauseas.

Now if you have ever watched a movie with just a TV of any size and then saw that movie again on a beast of a home theatre screen and surround system and had a difference of opinion about the movie afterwards, that is what I’m referring to and not is a projector superior or inferior to an Oled or other smaller display!

Here’s an example to clarify my thread a little more: You cannot get the “best” movie experience listening to a movie through a phone speaker nor can you enjoy a live concert “in person” looking at the stage through a 7” screen on the phone for 2 hrs. That is my point. You were there and your phone recording will not show me how awesome the concert was and cannot possibly do justice to the band or its soundstage.

We all know live experience is something special. Obviously we’re interested in being immersed in our movies.

If you watched cloverfield and really think that with the 5hz subterranean bass throughout its big scenes that it doesn’t beg for a monster screen being it’s a monster movie to begin with well so be it.

Just let’s get off the quality is more important than size subject since I appreciate both and have enough displays in my home to know when I’ll sacrifice one for the other when the movie begs for quality over size!

I really was interested if you or anyone else reading this thread could share their experience of a movie that was viewed on “only a display” that left the enjoyment lacking. Let’s face it movies get bad reviews for more than plot alone. If afterwards you had the opportunity to watch that same movie on a great home theatre and had a totally renewed appeal for the flick share that!

Is that fair enough?

 

[baronvonellis]

Sorry, but I don't buy your whole premise. I used to enjoy lots of movies on a 27" SD TV on VHS back in the day. Back to the Future, Indiana Jones ect. Even Saving Private Ryan watched on a DVD and small TV. You can still enjoy a movie like that if it is a good movie.

My uncle has a 720p projector on a 110" screen, and frankly I didn't enjoy the movies as much on that compared to my 46" 1080p plasma. I found the picture looks washed out and the poorer picture quality was distracting. There was no pop to any of the colors and not much dynamic range. I plan on getting a 55" oled soon, I could get a 65" but it might be too overbearing for my living room. I don't have a huge living room, and I am concerned about room ascetics and general livability for the times when I'm not watching a cinematic movie. If I had a dedicated theatre room I would get a bigger screen. I currently enjoy watching a 46" HD plasma display, and I assure you I enjoy lots of movies. For me music and sound is a higher priority anyway.

 

[HTfreak2004]

Sorry, but I don't buy your whole premise. I used to enjoy lots of movies on a 27" SD TV on VHS back in the day. Back to the Future, Indiana Jones ect. Even Saving Private Ryan watched on a DVD and small TV. You can still enjoy a movie like that if it is a good movie.

My uncle has a 720p projector on a 110" screen, and frankly I didn't enjoy the movies as much on that compared to my 46" 1080p plasma. I found the picture looks washed out and the poorer picture quality was distracting. There was no pop to any of the colors and not much dynamic range. I plan on getting a 55" oled soon, I could get a 65" but it might be too overbearing for my living room. I don't have a huge living room, and I am concerned about room ascetics and general livability for the times when I'm not watching a cinematic movie. If I had a dedicated theatre room I would get a bigger screen. I currently enjoy watching a 46" HD plasma display, and I assure you I enjoy lots of movies. For me music and sound is a higher priority anyway.

Funny! Surprised your not still using a 27” since a 46” plasma can’t really immerse you more!

 

[baronvonellis]

Funny! Surprised your not still using a 27” since a 46” plasma can’t really immerse you more!

Nah, with the 27" TV I had to squint from 9 feet away to see it, with 46" I can watch comfortably. That's about a 20 degree field of view. I tried sitting at closer distances. For me the 40 degree cinema field of view is distracting. The motion blur when objects move fast makes me feel a bit uneasy and distracted. I found at 30 degrees that motion blur distraction went away, and that's the view I would naturally be most comfortable at. People are different, perhaps the motion blur doesn't bother you. If movies were filmed at 48 frames like the Hobbit, I would be more comfortable with a bigger screen. But most people seem to think that doesn't look cinematic, just because 24 frames was chosen for film a long time ago.

Based on my 9ft viewing distance that would be a 65" screen. That would be my ideal size, but it would over power my room as I have a small living room.

 

[HTfreak2004]

Nah, with the 27" TV I had to squint from 9 feet away to see it, with 46" I can watch comfortably. That's about a 20 degree field of view. I tried sitting at closer distances. For me the 40 degree cinema field of view is distracting. The motion blur when objects move fast makes me feel a bit uneasy and distracted. I found at 30 degrees that motion blur distraction went away, and that's the view I would naturally be most comfortable at. People are different, perhaps the motion blur doesn't bother you. If movies were filmed at 48 frames like the Hobbit, I would be more comfortable with a bigger screen. But most people seem to think that doesn't look cinematic, just because 24 frames was chosen for film a long time ago.

Based on my 9ft viewing distance that would be a 65" screen. That would be my ideal size, but it would over power my room as I have a small living room.

I sit directly in front of my screen. No angled viewing. My room is 12 feet wide 20.2 feet long and 7 feet high so there is no other options if I want to use a projector and screen.

I sit 13 feet away. I watched many movies with my family on 65 inch lcd 1080p for 7 years in new house. Many of those movies were excellent regardless of my HT gear but I found a good handful of those movies even even better on my large screen despite losing pictures quality!

You made a valid point about 24 FPS film. To me a film should look a bit grainy and dark. We both experienced much poor tv images growing up and truthfully I’m totally into my big screen and audio gear. Brought more impact “but for me”

Bluray really improves even my projector DR. It’s not my 65” DR but it really is part of the fun of big screen big picture. Even my sound system isn’t perfect doesn’t even have HDMI on my SSP but still shakes the house at -20 db

 

[baronvonellis]

I sit directly in front of my screen. No angled viewing. My room is 12 feet wide 20.2 feet long and 7 feet high so there is no other options if I want to use a projector and screen.

I sit 13 feet away. I watched many movies with my family on 65 inch lcd 1080p for 7 years in new house. Many of those movies were excellent regardless of my HT gear but I found a good handful of those movies even even better on my large screen despite losing pictures quality!

You made a valid point about 24 FPS film. To me a film should look a bit grainy and dark. We both experienced much poor tv images growing up and truthfully I’m totally into my big screen and audio gear. Brought more impact “but for me”

Bluray really improves even my projector DR. It’s not my 65” DR but it really is part of the fun of big screen big picture. Even my sound system isn’t perfect doesn’t even have HDMI on my SSP but still shakes the house at -20 db

I'm taking about the field of view that screen fills up in front of you, not off to the side.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship
See the chart "viewing distance required to achieve specific field of view"

So when you were at 13 ft away from a 65" TV you were at a 20 degree field of view. That's the same as my 46" TV 9 ft away in my house. We can agree that is acceptable but not the best. A better field of view would be 30 degrees of your vision in front of you.

If you follow the chart, At 13 feet away 100" would be 30 degrees. At 9 ft away 65" would also be 30 degrees.

You can use the chart to figure out the ideal screen size for any viewing distance that you have.

 

[HTfreak2004]

I'm taking about the field of view that screen fills up in front of you, not off to the side.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/by-size/size-to-distance-relationship
See the chart "viewing distance required to achieve specific field of view"

So when you were at 13 ft away from a 65" TV you were at a 20 degree field of view. That's the same as my 46" TV 9 ft away in my house. We can agree that is acceptable but not the best. A better field of view would be 30 degrees of your vision in front of you.

If you follow the chart, At 13 feet away 100" would be 30 degrees. At 9 ft away 65" would also be 30 degrees.

You can use the chart to figure out the ideal screen size for any viewing distance that you have.

13 1/3’ is my main seat distance from my 100” screen. I didn’t use a chart for that I used the rule of thirds!

You see I decided in order to get a decent blend for my sound stage I placed my head at the division point between the mid 3rd and rear 3rd of my room. At 20 feet that’s basically 160 inches or 13 1/3 feet.

That listening main seat position allows me to position my LCR speakers into the room so the soundstage comes from behind the speakers rather than in front. The LCR speakers disappear for me at those points and overall the whole system integrates the best for HT and music!

I’m one of those guys that although I know plenty about “what I like” my theatre to achieve its not worth the cost to upgrade every time this industry decides to milk us for more hard earned cash.

It’s great to use charts to figure out the dedicated rooms optimal display and speaker locations but in my main room my family doesn’t even understand what a DB is let alone 1080p compared to 720 or 4K. To them it’s a buzz word.

My main living room is not ideal for much other than pandemonium most days. (5 yr old, 11 year old, cats on cat nip,) gets chaotic .

So in my dedicated HT which I arranged all myself and studied the basics needed to satisfy my passion. I’m not about to worry about room treatments or max resolutions and HDR. It’s all for fun to me and Nostalgia. A place I can pass out after working hard all day in the natural elements. You know how you enjoyed movies without surround or high Def on 27” display right well remember that Nostalgia.

All of us here that grew up through the 80s & 90s or earlier are really the ones who knew what it was like to get along with less quality picture but it was the buzz of that time and we didn’t feel we were lacking anything!

So as far as all the new technology is concerned to me this is a pirate industry constantly trying to convince our flagship model is a relic. I say get over it enjoy what you have and never think that by watching a movie in 4K on an Oled tv your somehow going to enjoy ET more now than from
1984.

I was a 4 year old kid with my grand parents watching that in the Theatre crying at the ending. That’s movie plus the fact it was the only one my grand parents took my brother and I to see is a memory that will last my lifetime!

Now I get to cry in my own HT watching Life as a House or Warrior and I get to share movies like Gizmo and ET with my children.

Guess what never once has any of my children my 17 year old included even once complained about the 720p image being darker or less dynamic than their 4K TVs. That means a lot to me and most importantly proves that they are immersed in the movie.

Never once has any of my friends or family been disappointed after watching a film in my HT. They simply have never experienced a Dedicated HT before!

My apologies for the rant but was kinda in a ranting mood for no real apparent reason at all