Is your TV doing an injustice to your Movie viewing enjoyment?

[HTfreak2004]

Recently I decided to check an old review in regards to the movie CLOVERFIELD.

As with any review it is especially important to consider what the poster is criticizing the movie in question for since first impressions generally influence those judgements.

Prior to reading various post on Cloverfield I decided to watch the first 20 minutes of this film starting at 10:20pm last night in my HT mancave.

Well to be frank this is not a movie that you watch alone after everyone else is in the house has retired for the night so being a considerate husband and dad I shut it off for the sake of not waking any deceased ancestors
!

This morning I woke at my usual 5:45 am, made my breakfast and checked out some old posts on this DVD version of the film.

Most poster’s I could tell were watching this movie through a TV only setup and were gravely disappointed with their experience.

From my point of view they are 100% accurate given what they so sadly experienced this film with!

Cloverfield is not a movie designed to be wimply watched on a 70 inch or less display partnered with a girly assed sound bar-wireless noise in the corner imitation sub woofer.

Unless you can throttle yourself in the the chest with subterranean bass and viewed over a 100 inch+ screen your definitely going to “NOT” experience the intention the film creator intended!

From my experience over the last 20 years enjoying the HT experience is 60% sound and 40% visual.

Some movies offer not to much in the way of surround sound and we can get away without a high end surround system but don’t skimp on the display.

Other movies like Cloverfield are at there full glory when paired with a well setup HT and become unbearable if watched through just the the tv/sound bar combo.

You can get away with a lot in a movie when the equipment used to view it is excellent but you can’t when that equipment isn’t available to the viewer!

If you have had a similar experience please share what movie it was and how that experience changed once it was experienced on a true HT system!

 

[RTG]

I’ve watched the movie multiple times on different displays including several of my old projectors and watching in Dolby Vision on my 65” OLED destroys those experiences. I’ll take perfect contrast and wider colour gamut any day over size. I agree about the sound though, last I watched was on my 7.2.2 setup.

 

[Pogre]

Yes. I need a bigger screen.

 

[HTfreak2004]

I’ve watched the movie multiple times on different displays including several of my old projectors and watching in Dolby Vision on my 65” OLED destroys those experiences. I’ll take perfect contrast and wider colour gamut any day over size. I agree about the sound though, last I watched was on my 7.2.2 setup.

Absolutely,
If two displays are too different in picture quality which is something that is common when doubling the screen size it can become distracting.

However we are not comparing tv to projector we are trying to give justice to the creator’s vision.

If the intention of Cloverfield was to employ a small 70 inch or less display then the recording device would not have been a camcorder and since sound effects can be added later it makes the most sense to go big or go home with Cloverfield!

 

[Danzilla31]

Recently I decided to check an old review in regards to the movie CLOVERFIELD.

As with any review it is especially important to consider what the poster is criticizing the movie in question for since first impressions generally influence those judgements.

Prior to reading various post on Cloverfield I decided to watch the first 20 minutes of this film starting at 10:20pm last night in my HT mancave.

Well to be frank this is not a movie that you watch alone after everyone else is in the house has retired for the night so being a considerate husband and dad I shut it off for the sake of not waking any deceased ancestors
!

This morning I woke at my usual 5:45 am, made my breakfast and checked out some old posts on this DVD version of the film.

Most poster’s I could tell were watching this movie through a TV only setup and were gravely disappointed with their experience.

From my point of view they are 100% accurate given what they so sadly experienced this film with!

Cloverfield is not a movie designed to be wimply watched on a 70 inch or less display partnered with a girly assed sound bar-wireless noise in the corner imitation sub woofer.

Unless you can throttle yourself in the the chest with subterranean bass and viewed over a 100 inch+ screen your definitely going to “NOT” experience the intention the film creator intended!

From my experience over the last 20 years enjoying the HT experience is 60% sound and 40% visual.

Some movies offer not to much in the way of surround sound and we can get away without a high end surround system but don’t skimp on the display.

Other movies like Cloverfield are at there full glory when paired with a well setup HT and become unbearable if watched through just the the tv/sound bar combo.

You can get away with a lot in a movie when the equipment used to view it is excellent but you can’t when that equipment isn’t available to the viewer!

If you have had a similar experience please share what movie it was and how that experience changed once it was experienced on a true HT system!

Once I went projector it was game over for me. I now have a screen and projector in my bedroom and in the dedicated theater room the have improved so much on color and picture that although they can't compete with the higher end TVS the Oleds and such they don't embarrass themselves against them at all. And losing yourself in the immersion is so so worth it for me

 

[HTfreak2004]

Once I went projector it was game over for me. I now have a screen and projector in my bedroom and in the dedicated theater room the have improved so much on color and picture that although they can't compete with the higher end TVS the Oleds and such they don't embarrass themselves against them at all. And losing yourself in the immersion is so so worth it for me

For sure,

TV’s offer way more versatility and for most people that’s what they prefer until they sit in a dedicated HT and realize what they have been missing!

Just as it is very important that one mate a surround sound system to the size of their room a Display must be large enough to fill the room from any viewing point and not be swallowed up by the visceral impact of the surround sound.

If a movie isn’t touting great surround sound content then display size isn’t really of major importance but if one plays a movie to the likes of say Cloverfield, Battleship, Saving Private Ryan, Underworld Awakening, Courage Under Fire, Open Range, Aquaman, Star Wars, LOTR, The Hobbit, WOTW, and any full screen Music Concert a 70 inch or smaller TV just gives away to much in the size department to justify the scale of the film period.

I will admit that any room under 10 feet in width doesn’t need a screen larger then 70 inches but keep in mind that the surround sound system doesn’t need to be as powerful either!

Picture quality is very important but it will not make up enough presence that an image almost 2.5 times the surface area can demand when the room and film is begging for it

 

[Danzilla31]

For sure,

TV’s offer way more versatility and for most people that’s what they prefer until they sit in a dedicated HT and realize what they have been missing!

Just as it is very important that one mate a surround sound system to the size of their room a Display must be large enough to fill the room from any viewing point and not be swallowed up by the visceral impact of the surround sound.

If a movie isn’t touting great surround sound content then display size isn’t really of major importance but if one plays a movie to the likes of say Cloverfield, Battleship, Saving Private Ryan, Underworld Awakening, Courage Under Fire, Open Range, Aquaman, Star Wars, LOTR, The Hobbit, WOTW, and any full screen Music Concert a 70 inch or smaller TV just gives away to much in the size department to justify the scale of the film period.

I will admit that any room under 10 feet in width doesn’t need a screen larger then 70 inches but keep in mind that the surround sound system doesn’t need to be as powerful either!

Picture quality is very important but it will not make up enough presence that an image almost 2.5 times the surface area can demand when the room and film is begging for it

So is this overkill in my bedroom then?

 

[Danzilla31]

And before anyone says it is I'd just like to say I can't help myself I'm an Audioholic and Audioholics made me this way

 

[HTfreak2004]

So is this overkill in my bedroom then?
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No I like overkill

 

[HTfreak2004]

So just finished the Cloverfield movie and have to say this was all about the surround sound.

Considering the movie was a first person view using a camcorder not a bad picture either! The picture quality actually improved as the the movie progressed towards its climax and for such low availability of light in those conditions it was funny enough to say exceptional!

Skywalker sound actually provides the sound effects for this movie which stands to reason its visceral impact.

Please do not watch this movie on a small display under 70 inch unless your room is maxed out with that and a speaker system that can breath enough to shake you in your seat or it’s not going to impress!

The story is crap but what can you expect from actors playing young adults barely out of high school!

If you have upgraded your gear since this film came out in 2008 to say Dolby Atmos or just a higher end 5.1 with a kick ass sub you won’t be disappointed unless you need a great story and Hollywood ending!

I’m grading it 7/10 for picture quality and that’s with a 1280x780p projector from 2004 at 1000 lumins and 1200:1 contrast ratio on a 100 inch screen sitting 12 feet away in a room 12 feet wide and a perfect 10/10 for sound quality through my Paradigm Reference system also from 2004 and the paradigm sub 15 I purchased for less than half price in 2018, oh and it’s overkill for my 1680 cf room

 

[RTG]

Projectors just don’t excite me anymore. For 1080p sure, why not go with a projector but for UHD HDR they cannot compete with a good panel. It really just comes down to what you prefer, most do prefer the biggest screen possible over quality.

 

[HTfreak2004]

Projectors just don’t excite me anymore. For 1080p sure, why not go with a projector but for UHD HDR they cannot compete with a good panel. It really just comes down to what you prefer, most do prefer the biggest screen possible over quality.

Do you have a dedicated HT or are you watching your tv and movies in your living room/family room?

Most hardcore HTphiles(made that word up on da Fly) don’t have enough friends or relatives who care about high end gear or HT enough to build one that makes a projector “Mandatory” for the maximum cinema experience.

Remember we are trying to create the commercial movie cinema experience at home on a smaller scale unless you own a mansion and for that purpose the high Def Oled TVs cannot fit that employment regardless of contrast or brightness/dark images if the room exceeds 10’ in width and 15’ feet in length. To make a rather simple point projectors and screens are used in commercial theatres and to reproduce the experience at home should be used unless your creating a “Hybrid”

Using a tv over a projector which by the way I have a 4K ultra display, 2x1080p displays and 720p projector which are all dedicated for the room they serve and that is by far the most important detail to consider as my point!

If the room is high traffic such as my main floor 22’x21’ open concept family room, kitchen and dining room the projector is at a disadvantage from lots of lighting variations so the 65” 1080p display is there and only a sound bar and wireless sub to compliment it. This display receives the most use! (Dedicated room)

The 4K ultra display is for my kids movie and video game flavours and is a 50” display in a 11’x10’ bedroom. (Dedicated room)

The 32” 1080p display is used as a computer screen in a 10’x7’ office. (Dedicated room)

Lastly the 720p projector which by the way is very good with Bluray videos and looks amazing when fed a 4K signal in Dolby vision is in my you guessed it (Dedicated HT) without any external light saturation.

I would love to have a 4K projector but not in any rush at the moment since I grew up with VHS and DVD and know how Bluray and 4K look as well which to be brutally honest does not inspire me enough to throw away 400 DVDs and still growing to rebuild my whole library in Bluray or 4K. I do own Bluray’s as well when I can find used for under $4.00 or up to $10.00 depending on the difficulty to find a DVD version.(Streaming is useful but I still prefer a hard copy as I have found the sound superior in every case so far!) yet I do stream to compare for S*#ts and Giggles

My HT room is 20’x12’ and sports the 100” screen with my HT surround gear. That is the largest screen that room can properly use without “bad speaker placement” and all under a 7’ ceiling.

No one can tell anyone that they “have to” use a projector especially if the room does not justify such a large screen in it but it is amazing once you go big screen and get used to that monster how small 65” screens look!.

TVs are meant to sit closer to so they need the contrast while projector screens are meant to sit further away from yet still feel in the front row! It’s just easier to get swallowed up by the cinematic experience with a huge screen and awesome sound.

 

[RTG]

Do you have a dedicated HT or are you watching your tv and movies in your living room/family room?

Most hardcore HTphiles(made that word up on da Fly) don’t have enough friends or relatives who care about high end gear or HT enough to build one that makes a projector “Mandatory” for the maximum cinema experience.

Remember we are trying to create the commercial movie cinema experience at home on a smaller scale unless you own a mansion and for that purpose the high Def Oled TVs cannot fit that employment regardless of contrast or brightness/dark images if the room exceeds 10’ in width and 15’ feet in length. To make a rather simple point projectors and screens are used in commercial theatres and to reproduce the experience at home should be used unless your creating a “Hybrid”

Using a tv over a projector which by the way I have a 4K ultra display, 2x1080p displays and 720p projector which are all dedicated for the room they serve and that is by far the most important detail to consider as my point!

If the room is high traffic such as my main floor 22’x21’ open concept family room, kitchen and dining room the projector is at a disadvantage from lots of lighting variations so the 65” 1080p display is there and only a sound bar and wireless sub to compliment it. This display receives the most use! (Dedicated room)

The 4K ultra display is for my kids movie and video game flavours and is a 50” display in a 11’x10’ bedroom. (Dedicated room)

The 32” 1080p display is used as a computer screen in a 10’x7’ office. (Dedicated room)

Lastly the 720p projector which by the way is very good with Bluray videos and looks amazing when fed a 4K signal in Dolby vision is in my you guessed it (Dedicated HT) without any external light saturation.

I would love to have a 4K projector but not in any rush at the moment since I grew up with VHS and DVD and know how Bluray and 4K look as well which to be brutally honest does not inspire me enough to throw away 400 DVDs and still growing to rebuild my whole library in Bluray or 4K. I do own Bluray’s as well when I can find used for under $4.00 or up to $10.00 depending on the difficulty to find a DVD version.(Streaming is useful but I still prefer a hard copy as I have found the sound superior in every case so far!) yet I do stream to compare for S*#ts and Giggles

My HT room is 20’x12’ and sports the 100” screen with my HT surround gear. That is the largest screen that room can properly use without “bad speaker placement” and all under a 7’ ceiling.

No one can tell anyone that they “have to” use a projector especially if the room does not justify such a large screen in it but it is amazing once you go big screen and get used to that monster how small 65” screens look!.

TVs are meant to sit closer to so they need the contrast while projector screens are meant to sit further away from yet still feel in the front row! It’s just easier to get swallowed up by the cinematic experience with a huge screen and awesome sound.

Yes I do have a dedicated Theatre. 20x13. I had a 110” screen prior to my OLED. Wall and ceiling painted black, treated with acoustic panels. A 7.2.2 setup. My previous projectors will calibrated by myself with a very accurate result.

I prefer quality over size. My OLED is simply the best image I’ve ever seen. I didn’t miss the size, projectors simply can’t compete with OLED’s. I haven’t been to a commercial theatre since 2016.

 

[HTfreak2004]

What projector did your HT use?

 

[RTG]

What projector did your HT use?

My last was a Epson 5030ub.

 

[HTfreak2004]

Nice projector your old Epson!

I have the Epson Powerlite home cinema 500.

Anyway if your happy with a much smaller screen it’s probably safe to say your preferences have changed since your big screen days!

I found a big screen is way better for a true immersive HT experience as long as the sound system isn’t lacking! It goes both ways.

You really miss a lot of the experience without a good quality surround system and can make many great movies mediocre without them.

I know the Oled TVs are amazing but I have found that the weakest link with projector setups is the signal they are fed and when the signal is vibrant the smaller Oled displays get blown away!

So rather than force feed my experience or opinions about who’s preference is the be all I will end by saying as long as your happy with your choice and are not left wanting what you gave up going to a smaller screen then that is all that really matters

 

[RTG]

Nice projector your old Epson!

I have the Epson Powerlite home cinema 500.

Anyway if your happy with a much smaller screen it’s probably safe to say your preferences have changed since your big screen days!

I found a big screen is way better for a true immersive HT experience as long as the sound system isn’t lacking! It goes both ways.

You really miss a lot of the experience without a good quality surround system and can make many great movies mediocre without them.

I know the Oled TVs are amazing but I have found that the weakest link with projector setups is the signal they are fed and when the signal is vibrant the smaller Oled displays get blown away!

So rather than force feed my experience or opinions about who’s preference is the be all I will end by saying as long as your happy with your choice and are not left wanting what you gave up going to a smaller screen then that is all that really matters

For sure. We all like what we like. I don’t look at it like I gave up anything, I gained

 

[HTfreak2004]

For sure. We all like what we like. I don’t look at it like I gave up anything, I gained

Technically you gave up size as you stated yourself from your first posting on this subject by saying,

“ I’ve watched the movie multiple times on different displays including several of my old projectors and watching in Dolby Vision on my 65” OLED destroys those experiences. I’ll take perfect contrast and wider colour gamut any day over size. I agree about the sound though, last I watched was on my 7.2.2 setup!”

So yes you traded more than double the screen size 110” screen for a 65” screen.

If your preference is quality that’s totally understandable just remember the forum is called, Is your tv doing an injustice to your movie viewing enjoyment?

There are those who miss out on huge enjoyment benefits which are actually intended by the film creators that a small display and no surround sound are at fault for!

To watch say Aquaman on a 65” Oled and no surround speakers paired with a high quality sub or multiple subs takes away from the most impactful climax scene in this film and does a grave injustice to the creators vision!

Yes reducing the picture size even with a projector image improves picture quality while at the same time minimizing the size of any monster, explosion or catastrophe you can think of.

Small display size is why people hit the theatre! More people have hybrid systems and need a projector to enlarge the movie scenes to larger than a T-Rex foot of 20” to 50”!

Our brains are hardwired to be intimidated by size, just look at any young child around a small dog say an adult poodle and an adult Great Dane!

When quality is removed all that is left is SIZE! Stretch the 65” display to 110” and it has to lose quality because the pixels are larger

My main room tv is 65” 1080p compared to my projector at 720p at 100” which is more than twice the surface area!

I like you have quality vs size to compare and can go to any audio/theatre store to demo Oled displays but I cannot give away the creators vision for a smaller scale experience.

Secondly I am not comparing and Oled at 65” to Oled projector at 100” since that doesn’t exist yet and probably never could at a price point that you or I would consider!

What I am comparing is what is an acceptable amount of quality I do sacrifice for a much larger viewing experience which is the same decision I made when moving from a 32” to 65”!

 

[RTG]

I didn’t actually say I “gave up size” technically. I said I would take perfect contrast over size. I’m not giving up anything. I find 65” a very good size.

Check out a UHD in HDR on an OLED and you’ll use your projector as a paper weight!

The creators vision wasn’t to lose all its resolution and color accuracy. Blu -ray and especially DVD is nowhere near what content creators wanted. It’s far too limited. So if we’re talking accuracy size has nothing to do with it. Your 100” is still tiny compared a theatre so let’s not kid each other.

 

[Auditor55]

Recently I decided to check an old review in regards to the movie CLOVERFIELD.

As with any review it is especially important to consider what the poster is criticizing the movie in question for since first impressions generally influence those judgements.

Prior to reading various post on Cloverfield I decided to watch the first 20 minutes of this film starting at 10:20pm last night in my HT mancave.

Well to be frank this is not a movie that you watch alone after everyone else is in the house has retired for the night so being a considerate husband and dad I shut it off for the sake of not waking any deceased ancestors
!

This morning I woke at my usual 5:45 am, made my breakfast and checked out some old posts on this DVD version of the film.

Most poster’s I could tell were watching this movie through a TV only setup and were gravely disappointed with their experience.

From my point of view they are 100% accurate given what they so sadly experienced this film with!

Cloverfield is not a movie designed to be wimply watched on a 70 inch or less display partnered with a girly assed sound bar-wireless noise in the corner imitation sub woofer.

Unless you can throttle yourself in the the chest with subterranean bass and viewed over a 100 inch+ screen your definitely going to “NOT” experience the intention the film creator intended!

From my experience over the last 20 years enjoying the HT experience is 60% sound and 40% visual.

Some movies offer not to much in the way of surround sound and we can get away without a high end surround system but don’t skimp on the display.

Other movies like Cloverfield are at there full glory when paired with a well setup HT and become unbearable if watched through just the the tv/sound bar combo.

You can get away with a lot in a movie when the equipment used to view it is excellent but you can’t when that equipment isn’t available to the viewer!

If you have had a similar experience please share what movie it was and how that experience changed once it was experienced on a true HT system!

I seen that movie, it was OK. That's the main issue, a movie with good story will captivate you on a decent screen with just using the TV speakers. In my opinion, too many HT enthusiast these days buy movies to experience their equipment and not to enjoy some of their favorite films. Not everyone can set up a dedicated HT room most won't even if they could.