Took the plunge! Ordered the SB16 Ultra

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So I have been wanting for this sub for years to replace my current SVS PB12 - I went with the sealed version of this monster because I have a smaller sized room.

Plus I never liked the boominess of the PS12

Anyhow - I am excited to get it and setup the Audyssey with my Marantz SR6013 and the rest of my SVS speakers.

Any tips or tricks with this new subwoofer?
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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I'm curious. Was your old sub the PB12-NSD? If so, Josh Ricci's review of it in AH gave no indication of the response anomalies that would indicate boomy sound. Did you try making set-up adjustments to improve the bass quality?
 
KEW

KEW

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Congratulations on getting what is definitely a SOTA world-class subwoofer (at least among the best of the mainstream ID sub companies).
As Irv alludes to, you may still experience boominess, but at least you will have confidence it is a fault of setup rather than the subwoofer itself. I suspect with the built-in 3 PEQ's you will be able to suitably tame the boominess but will want to use REW to evaluate what is happening at the LP so as to inform your PEQ settings. Also, understand that you cannot EQ a null!
Hopefully the Ultra 16 will be less boomy than your current model, but I would be surprised if it fully resolves your issue. The Ultra does have a gradual roll-off - down about 5dB at 20Hz, but I suspect in your room with your sub location, you are getting too much room gain to prevent the boom and the same will be true with the Ultra if it is located in the same place.
Any tips or tricks with this new subwoofer?
1) Be considering locations in yor room which are not too close to the corners and maybe not even too close to a wall.
2) Use REW to determine what frequencies exhibit the boominess you are experiencing.
3) Set the SVS built-in PEQ's to tame these boomy frequencies. If you are a fan of Audyssey (or other room correction) address the biggest issues with the PEQ first and then Audyssey is very likely to do a great job with what remains. If you are not a fan of RoomEQ, and the 3 PEQ's in your sub don't completely fix the issue, you will need something like miniDSP to address the rest.
 
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fast fred

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I'm curious. Was your old sub the PB12-NSD? If so, Josh Ricci's review of it in AH gave no indication of the response anomalies that would indicate boomy sound. Did you try making set-up adjustments to improve the bass quality?
Yes that’s the one

Hmm. I’m not sure. I ran Audyssey as required for setup.
 
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fast fred

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Don't get me wrong I have loved the PS12 for over 10 years - just wanted to go sealed for a tighter response and possibly slightly less boom - but I can definitely take it or leave it in terms of boominess.

I also wanted more control over the sub (app/remote) so thats why I wanted to go with the SB16 series and I am just plain hooked on SVS speakers :)

Sometimes my wife doesn't want da bass so it would be nice to have the presets depending on whats playing, etc and other times when she's sleeping I can go full throttle :)
 
KEW

KEW

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Yes that’s the one

Hmm. I’m not sure. I ran Audyssey as required for setup.
Audyssey has some limits (which are not clear - they don't give away how their system works).
I have a "working theory" that if Audyssey measures a substantial drop below a certain frequency, it will consider that the lower limit of your system and will not address frequencies below that. I am not sure that is what happens, but I have read several accounts where people found that using PEQ or miniDSP to address the biggest issues resulted in a much better optimization out of Audyssey.
YMMV, but between knowing "it is not the sub" and having the 3 PEQ's you will be much closer to solving the boom!
 
KEW

KEW

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Don't get me wrong I have loved the PS12 for over 10 years - just wanted to go sealed for a tighter response and possibly slightly less boom - but I can definitely take it or leave it in terms of boominess.

I also wanted more control over the sub (app/remote) so thats why I wanted to go with the SB16 series and I am just plain hooked on SVS speakers :)

Sometimes my wife doesn't want da bass so it would be nice to have the presets depending on whats playing, etc and other times when she's sleeping I can go full throttle :)
What AVR are you running?
I am familiar with D&M and would look no further than their LFC (low frequency containment) adjustment for a preset solution for your wife (you can incorporate this setting in to the "Quick Select" feature to give her a one button solution!
No doubt, with the Ultra, you will be getting a step up in every aspect of sound quality - enjoy it!
We just want to prepare you that the boomy issue is not likely to just disappear. IME there is more to it than the sub since most subs (once you are out of $100 Onkyo/Klipsch/Polk sub territory) are tuned to anechoically flat response (which means room gain is going to give you bumped up lower bass)
 
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fast fred

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What AVR are you running?
I am familiar with D&M and would look no further than their LFC (low frequency containment) adjustment for a preset solution for your wife (you can incorporate this setting in to the "Quick Select" feature to give her a one button solution!
No doubt, with the Ultra, you will be getting a step up in every aspect of sound quality - enjoy it!
We just want to prepare you that the boomy issue is not likely to just disappear. IME there is more to it than the sub since most subs (once you are out of $100 Onkyo/Klipsch/Polk sub territory) are tuned to anechoically flat response (which means room gain is going to give you bumped up lower bass)
D&M?
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

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You should try the subwoofer crawl to find a location in your room where the sub performs best. Yes, the technique is crude, but works well. Once set up, it may require only minimal adjustment with audyssey.
 
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fast fred

fast fred

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Congratulations on getting what is definitely a SOTA world-class subwoofer (at least among the best of the mainstream ID sub companies).
As Irv alludes to, you may still experience boominess, but at least you will have confidence it is a fault of setup rather than the subwoofer itself. I suspect with the built-in 3 PEQ's you will be able to suitably tame the boominess but will want to use REW to evaluate what is happening at the LP so as to inform your PEQ settings. Also, understand that you cannot EQ a null!
Hopefully the Ultra 16 will be less boomy than your current model, but I would be surprised if it fully resolves your issue. The Ultra does have a gradual roll-off - down about 5dB at 20Hz, but I suspect in your room with your sub location, you are getting too much room gain to prevent the boom and the same will be true with the Ultra if it is located in the same place.

1) Be considering locations in yor room which are not too close to the corners and maybe not even too close to a wall.
2) Use REW to determine what frequencies exhibit the boominess you are experiencing.
3) Set the SVS built-in PEQ's to tame these boomy frequencies. If you are a fan of Audyssey (or other room correction) address the biggest issues with the PEQ first and then Audyssey is very likely to do a great job with what remains. If you are not a fan of RoomEQ, and the 3 PEQ's in your sub don't completely fix the issue, you will need something like miniDSP to address the rest.
Kurt under Parametric EQ, what do I set it to?

Unfortunately the way the room is setup, its close to a corner wall :(

It is quite boomy indeed - I ran Audyssey and it set the gain to -22
 
ryanosaur

ryanosaur

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Kurt under Parametric EQ, what do I set it to?

Unfortunately the way the room is setup, its close to a corner wall :(

It is quite boomy indeed - I ran Audyssey and it set the gain to -22
Get creative, man. Rearrange the room a little to get your sub working for you, not against you! Crawl it out and just learn about your room acousics! You will be surprised at how you can hear the difference in bass performance as you move around the room. Took me an hour or so the first time I did it. But once you begin to hear the differences, its almost like you can see the waves. o_O;):cool:
 
KEW

KEW

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Kurt under Parametric EQ, what do I set it to?

Unfortunately the way the room is setup, its close to a corner wall :(

It is quite boomy indeed - I ran Audyssey and it set the gain to -22
Ryan gives good advice, if you can get it out of the corner it would make life easier all around. Just as a quick test move the sub into the center of the room and listen to a song or two. Move around while you are listening so you can get a sense of how the bass changes depending on your location (if you put you head in a corner, you are likely to experience the same boomy bass you did when the sub was in the corner), but it is a quick way to appreciate why location of your sub matters so much!
However, after that, the proper thing to do is to use a free measurement program called REW along with a microphone to measure the frequency response of your subwoofer. This will show the increase in bass at certain frequencies and you can use the PEQ to counter these tendencies. You can post your measurements here for advice (hopefully from some who knows the SVS control interface for their PEQ).
For instant gratification, I would start off centering a PEQ around 24Hz, set it to the broadest bandwidth possible and play with the level of attenuation to find the most comfortable result.
Generally room gain has the greatest effect at the lowest frequencies, so I would expect this will abate much of your problem.
However, understand that you absolutely don't want to make this your permanent solution! You just bought one of the best subs made and my temporary solution is a very ballpark-blunt approach to fixing a problem that this sub is capable of handling with great finesse! You wouldn't be here nor paid that much money if you didn't care, and this solution is essentially dumbing down your sub to a inexpensive sub that rolls off at 30Hz or so!!
Also, don't hesitate to consult with SVS! Your experience is not in the least unique! They have people there who are used to asking you the right questions and giving you very good advice on how to resolve your issues. They do not hire the stereotypical; snot-nosed high school kid to answer the phone, they have technically knowledgeable people who enjoy helping you figure out you problem and that moment when things come together for you ... just like we do here! Trust me, those guys are great and you will feel even better about buying from them.
Don't get me wrong, I am happy to help you and there are others here that know more about this than I do, but the guys at SVS have deep experience helping people at all levels of understanding since that is much of their job! Obviously, if people don't sort out their issues, they are likely to take advantage of SVS's liberal return policy! But I suspect they also have stuff like the REW program on tap and can tell you where the best place is to get a microphone, or they may have a simpler approach involving (maybe?) an SPL meter and some files of different pitches. IOW, they should be more streamlined since this is their specialty!
 
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