Atmos advice

[Hokies83]

So running 7.1.4 with atmos front and rear height speakers,

Was wondering do get the most immersive experience what lvls to people generally set their speakers to?

I know most use calibration from receivers software but everyone adjusts the levels afterwards,

So was wondering how does everyone adjust their speaker lvls? My heights surrounds and tears are all set to max, my front L/R are set to 80% of max and my center is 40% of max,
Subwoofer is set at neutral level.

 

[ryanosaur]

FWIW, I haven't played with the main levels of anything but the subs. Audyssey did a great job for me in setting distance and levels. Of course I turned audyssey off, but kept those settings. The correction progrm should do the level matching for you!
So unless you are doing your own SPL measurements, why change the setting? (Unless, of course it is flat out wrong... but that begs other questions (for example, are your speaker's sensitivities closely matched?)).
YMMV

 

[Leemix]

Difficult to know exactly what you mean unless you use the dB scale.
Nothing should be at max or min after an auto setup, something is most likly not right if there is.


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[William Lemmerhirt]

So running 7.1.4 with atmos front and rear height speakers,

Was wondering do get the most immersive experience what lvls to people generally set their speakers to?

I know most use calibration from receivers software but everyone adjusts the levels afterwards,

So was wondering how does everyone adjust their speaker lvls? My heights surrounds and tears are all set to max, my front L/R are set to 80% of max and my center is 40% of max,
Subwoofer is set at neutral level.

To get the most immersive and natural playback, you’ll want to have your speakers level matched. That way you’ll hear the soundtrack as intended, which hopefully the mixer spent time and care on making an immersive environment. That normally means while using the tone generator in the AVR, setting each speaker to 75db.
Unfortunately I’m not sure what you’re meaning by the descriptions of the trim levels. As mentioned c none should be maxed in either direction.
Wait, is this a test? Lol

 

[Hokies83]

To get the most immersive and natural playback, you’ll want to have your speakers level matched. That way you’ll hear the soundtrack as intended, which hopefully the mixer spent time and care on making an immersive environment. That normally means while using the tone generator in the AVR, setting each speaker to 75db.
Unfortunately I’m not sure what you’re meaning by the descriptions of the trim levels. As mentioned c none should be maxed in either direction.
Wait, is this a test? Lol

Lol not a test, I’m still an honest noob lol.
Guess I’ll re run MCACC on the LX503 and other then the Subwoofer leave the settings alone and then listen to a movie and see what I like.
This is how I honestly have it set lol.

 

[Hokies83]

FWIW, I haven't played with the main levels of anything but the subs. Audyssey did a great job for me in setting distance and levels. Of course I turned audyssey off, but kept those settings. The correction progrm should do the level matching for you!
So unless you are doing your own SPL measurements, why change the setting? (Unless, of course it is flat out wrong... but that begs other questions (for example, are your speaker's sensitivities closely matched?)).
YMMV

All rears and heights are same brand / tweeter / woofer
All fronts are same brand same tweeter / woofer.

 

[ryanosaur]

Just to be clear, this is how your machine set it? Or how you set it?

Run it with the sub. The correction program will set everything for you in a way that should make sense. The resaon its important to run it with the sub is for the distance/delay setting. The sub will very commonly be set as being further away than it actually is... everything else should be pretty close... but the sub likely has a DSP in the amp which will change its response time compared to the other speakers, hence why the correction looks weird. But for me, the corrected distance really improved the bass response.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Ok good. I didn’t fail anything yet lol.

Definitely run mcacc and show the results if you don’t mind. Even though speakers are the same manufacturer and even the same model, where they are in relation to room boundaries, and distance to the LP is how you end up with different trim(+or -) levels. For example speakers that are closer to you(or more sensitive) will usually have a lower trim value. I just changed the center channel in my bedroom and manually tweaked mcacc a little to accommodate. All of my trim values are in the minus.

What speakers/sub are you using?

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Fwiw, after you recalibrate, your system may sound more subtle overall, but this should also present a more immersive discrete presentation. Iirc, your original question was how to achieve a more immersive playback system.
This will be a good start. Also, after mcacc you might wanna bump the sub level, like 3-5db. Or not...

 

[Hokies83]

Ok good. I didn’t fail anything yet lol.

Definitely run mcacc and show the results if you don’t mind. Even though speakers are the same manufacturer and even the same model, where they are in relation to room boundaries, and distance to the LP is how you end up with different trim(+or -) levels. For example speakers that are closer to you(or more sensitive) will usually have a lower trim value. I just changed the center channel in my bedroom and manually tweaked mcacc a little to accommodate. All of my trim values are in the minus.

What speakers/sub are you using?

Rears / heights rears are all JBL studio 220s heights / atmos are all JBL 210s
Fronts are Inifinity RC163s and center is RC263.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Sub?

Sounds like a good setup. Curious about new mcacc results.

 

[Hokies83]

Sub?

Sounds like a good setup. Curious about new mcacc results.

HSU VTF-15H mk2

 

[Hokies83]

Results...

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

That looks more like what I’d expect to see. Only thing is you might want to turn the gain down on the sub and run it again. Seems like -11 might not be enough signal to turn the sub on at lower volumes, and could shut off during quiet movie parts. Ime, -7 to -5 is pretty good. Gives some room to bump up too if you like.

Have to tried a movie yet?

 

[Hokies83]

That looks more like what I’d expect to see. Only thing is you might want to turn the gain down on the sub and run it again. Seems like -11 might not be enough signal to turn the sub on at lower volumes, and could shut off during quiet movie parts. Ime, -7 to -5 is pretty good. Gives some room to bump up too if you like.

Have to tried a movie yet?

Can’t late at night lol,
Question... do you run on your pioneer receiver, center and L/R with double bass? Or set them to small which greys out double bass?

 

[Danzilla31]

Results...
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Yeah that looks way better I learned how to level match all my speakers thanks to this forum and the results were a lot more like the programs correction on your second results and not like the first setup you had

Like William said a lot of my trim levels were in the negative range except for the heights which are in 10 ft ceilings so it made sense they would need to be trimmed higher a little

Like its been said different channels should have different trim levels despite speakers being identical it's to compensate for different distances and other factors that need to be adjusted to get speakers in different locations distances heights etc to all be matched the same.

This allows for proper soundstage imaging panning effects and a whole lot more goodies to give you that immersion and surround effect a person's looking for

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I’ve tried that feature on all my receivers from Onkyo Marantz Yamaha and pioneer. I’ve never liked it as it seemed to just make my bass a messy mess. Other guys do like it but I just haven’t had good results. Have you tried it?

 

[Hokies83]

Yeah I have the SL Lite DB readinf App and have been considering using it, everything should reach 75db in the listening position correct

 

[Hokies83]

I’ve tried that feature on all my receivers from Onkyo Marantz Yamaha and pioneer. I’ve never liked it as it seemed to just make my bass a messy mess. Other guys do like it but I just haven’t had good results. Have you tried it?

It’s on now, but I have to set my front L/R to large to activate it, the RC163s are 1” tweeter and 6.5” woofers lol.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

Yeah I have the SL Lite DB readinf App and have been considering using it, everything should reach 75db in the listening position correctView attachment 28976

Yeah 75. Make sure it’s set to “C weighting” and “slow” response.