Couple general questions

[Steelers252006]

I asked this to Danzilla, too, thought I'd ask a few of you your thoughts.

How many of you do near field with your subs? That's where you put one or two behind your listening position I believe. If I were to move my couch three feet off the wall and put a sub or two behind it, would it be harder to dial it in where it blends in seamlessly with the other speakers. And if I were to go this route, would the single SVS PB Ultra 16 sub that I'm stuck on it appears be a good option? Also, if I were to go multiple subs in my setup, two or four, whatever I decide, would this scenario invite consideration for sealed subs, and is this a situation where sealed subs may even have some advantages?

Why can't I stop thinking about these damn speakers!! LOL.

 

[Phase 2]

I asked this to Danzilla, too, thought I'd ask a few of you your thoughts.

How many of you do near field with your subs? That's where you put one or two behind your listening position I believe. If I were to move my couch three feet off the wall and put a sub or two behind it, would it be harder to dial it in where it blends in seamlessly with the other speakers. And if I were to go this route, would the single SVS PB Ultra 16 sub that I'm stuck on it appears be a good option? Also, if I were to go multiple subs in my setup, two or four, whatever I decide, would this scenario invite consideration for sealed subs, and is this a situation where sealed subs may even have some advantages?

Why can't I stop thinking about these damn speakers!! LOL.

You are One of Us now! Welcome to many years of enjoyment! I been hooked since the late 60's.

 

[slipperybidness]

I asked this to Danzilla, too, thought I'd ask a few of you your thoughts.

How many of you do near field with your subs? That's where you put one or two behind your listening position I believe. If I were to move my couch three feet off the wall and put a sub or two behind it, would it be harder to dial it in where it blends in seamlessly with the other speakers. And if I were to go this route, would the single SVS PB Ultra 16 sub that I'm stuck on it appears be a good option? Also, if I were to go multiple subs in my setup, two or four, whatever I decide, would this scenario invite consideration for sealed subs, and is this a situation where sealed subs may even have some advantages?

Why can't I stop thinking about these damn speakers!! LOL.

In my old house, my sub was basically nearfield, even at the front of the room, because my listening area was so small.

But, I also have to add here, if you are considering nearfield, then why not simply add a butt-shaker, or go near field and add the butt-shaker. I have never tried one of these devices, but I think they look worth trying if HT is your main gig.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Why can't I stop thinking about these damn speakers!! LOL.

You'll NEVER stop thinking about them as long as you're in the game.

I have subs in front and behind me. It seems to work great.

 

[Steve81]

If I were to move my couch three feet off the wall and put a sub or two behind it, would it be harder to dial it in where it blends in seamlessly with the other speakers. And if I were to go this route, would the single SVS PB Ultra 16 sub that I'm stuck on it appears be a good option?

It wouldn't be my first choice of placement for a single subwoofer, as localization may be a problem.

Also, if I were to go multiple subs in my setup, two or four, whatever I decide, would this scenario invite consideration for sealed subs, and is this a situation where sealed subs may even have some advantages?

It might, depending on the size of your room and other factors.

 

[Steelers252006]

In my old house, my sub was basically nearfield, even at the front of the room, because my listening area was so small.

But, I also have to add here, if you are considering nearfield, then why not simply add a butt-shaker, or go near field and add the butt-shaker. I have never tried one of these devices, but I think they look worth trying if HT is your main gig.

A butt shaker?

 

[Steelers252006]

It wouldn't be my first choice of placement for a single subwoofer, as localization may be a problem.



It might, depending on the size of your room and other factors.

What do you mean, localization?

 

[Steelers252006]

It wouldn't be my first choice of placement for a single subwoofer, as localization may be a problem.



It might, depending on the size of your room and other factors.

Explain how it might so I understand a little better, please.

 

[Steelers252006]

You'll NEVER stop thinking about them as long as you're in the game.

I have subs in front and behind me. It seems to work great.

I’d probably go four SVS PB2000a for this route. What do you have?

 

[2channel lover]

It wouldn't be my first choice of placement for a single subwoofer, as localization may be a problem.



It might, depending on the size of your room and other factors.

Localization bothers the hell out of me with music, not so much with movies, but that's largely why both of my subs are on the TV wall now.

If I ever pull the trigger on a 3rd...it absolutely will be near field.

 

[Steve81]

What do you mean, localization?

Being able to identify where the sound is coming from.

Explain how it might so I understand a little better, please.

In a room that exhibits a lot of room gain (typically a small, sealed space),a sealed sub with its shallow roll-off can deliver a deeper in-room response than is typically achieved with ported systems. However, it still takes a fair amount of power to get useful output down there.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

I asked this to Danzilla, too, thought I'd ask a few of you your thoughts.

How many of you do near field with your subs? That's where you put one or two behind your listening position I believe. If I were to move my couch three feet off the wall and put a sub or two behind it, would it be harder to dial it in where it blends in seamlessly with the other speakers. And if I were to go this route, would the single SVS PB Ultra 16 sub that I'm stuck on it appears be a good option? Also, if I were to go multiple subs in my setup, two or four, whatever I decide, would this scenario invite consideration for sealed subs, and is this a situation where sealed subs may even have some advantages?

Why can't I stop thinking about these damn speakers!! LOL.

I know nearfield has its proponents, and I’m only here to say that Ime, and experimentation, near field subs have proven too difficult to integrate. Even with a good hand off to the mains, I always felt like I was listening to the subs and not the whole system. I did have 2 of my subs behind for a long time, but it was not near field since each was 8’ away corner loaded. This was pretty good, but I got better results with them up front.

Personally I feel you’re suffering analysis paralysis. I also think there is too much weight being put on multiple subs(although I use 3) since you’re a beginner, and afaik are focused on one primary seat. I think you’re best option is buy one great sun that’s on the list and try it out. That might mean SVS since you’ve voiced concern over the HSU being so much less expensive, and you can also send it back disk free. Have them send you a pc2000, or whatever you want, and take the time to integrate it(which is easier than 2(get your feet wet) and see how it goes. SVS also has a great upgrade path too. I have no doubt you’d be happy with any sub that’s been discussed, including the HSU’s but maybe for your peace in mind go to SVS. They aren’t one of the best for nothing!i mean this respectfully, but most of us chiming in, have been doing this for a looong time and while you did understand much of the advice, you’ve even admitted yourself that it’s mostly Greek. In this light I honestly feel like baby steps will keep you interested, and keep you learning and understanding instead of possibly over who and frustrated. The latter can leave people with less than great results and they can lose interest quickly. Don’t want to see that.
Just my .02.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

A butt shaker?

A device that attaches to your couch that shakes it with the subs. Cheap ones are obnoxious and distracting while good ones by crowson and clark are really expensive.

 

[Steelers252006]

I know nearfield has its proponents, and I’m only here to say that Ime, and experimentation, near field subs have proven too difficult to integrate. Even with a good hand off to the mains, I always felt like I was listening to the subs and not the whole system. I did have 2 of my subs behind for a long time, but it was not near field since each was 8’ away corner loaded. This was pretty good, but I got better results with them up front.

Personally I feel you’re suffering analysis paralysis. I also think there is too much weight being put on multiple subs(although I use 3) since you’re a beginner, and afaik are focused on one primary seat. I think you’re best option is buy one great sun that’s on the list and try it out. That might mean SVS since you’ve voiced concern over the HSU being so much less expensive, and you can also send it back disk free. Have them send you a pc2000, or whatever you want, and take the time to integrate it(which is easier than 2(get your feet wet) and see how it goes. SVS also has a great upgrade path too. I have no doubt you’d be happy with any sub that’s been discussed, including the HSU’s but maybe for your peace in mind go to SVS. They aren’t one of the best for nothing!i mean this respectfully, but most of us chiming in, have been doing this for a looong time and while you did understand much of the advice, you’ve even admitted yourself that it’s mostly Greek. In this light I honestly feel like baby steps will keep you interested, and keep you learning and understanding instead of possibly over who and frustrated. The latter can leave people with less than great results and they can lose interest quickly. Don’t want to see that.
Just my .02.

No, I get it completely. I want to learn and enjoy it, not overthink. The option of being able to send things back makes it easier. I'm one of those that would rather go the extra mile and buy right for me the first time versus taking shortcuts that ultimately may derail what I'm trying to accomplish. You know, the craziest thing of all this to me is when I first, very first, became interested in adding a sound component to my OLED TV it all ALL about Atmos, and I even strongly was considering one of those gimmicky Atmos sound bars. Amazes me how just a short time delving into this has completely changed what I now hope to accomplish. I just want great sound, period, and I'm seeing that higher-end components and piecing it together over time is 100 percent the way to go. In my perfect world, I buy that SVS Ultra 16. My worries there are simply that eventually it will need a friend to play with, and I don't know how my room would do with two of those monster subs. Honestly, that's about it. I've budgeted for that speaker. I would add sub next. Then I plan on adding a center channel. Then an amp to the two fronts and that center channel. Or maybe just the two rears, then the amp. Then simply go from where and see where the wind blows me.

 

[Steelers252006]

Being able to identify where the sound is coming from.


In a room that exhibits a lot of room gain (typically a small, sealed space),a sealed sub with its shallow roll-off can deliver a deeper in-room response than is typically achieved with ported systems. However, it still takes a fair amount of power to get useful output down there.

I'll say this. My room is technically considered large I guess, around 3,000 cubic square feet, but the ceilings are slanted, not as high as the rest of the house, and it is sealed. It does make me wonder if sealed could accomplish the same thing. That being said from EVERYTHING I'm reading it seems in most scenarios ported is just hard to beat.

 

[Steelers252006]

A device that attaches to your couch that shakes it with the subs. Cheap ones are obnoxious and distracting while good ones by crowson and clark are really expensive.

That's pretty wild there.

 

[Steelers252006]

I’d probably go four SVS PB2000a for this route. What do you have?

I don't have ANY subs yet. I have a Denon 4400 AV receiver and two SVS Ultra Tower Speakers currently.

 

[Steve81]

That being said from EVERYTHING I'm reading it seems in most scenarios ported is just hard to beat.

It's hard to argue against the additional efficiency/output afforded by a large vented sub to be sure, and the better ones extend pretty deep (10-12Hz) so it's not like you're missing a ton of low frequency content.

 

[2channel lover]

I know nearfield has its proponents, and I’m only here to say that Ime, and experimentation, near field subs have proven too difficult to integrate. Even with a good hand off to the mains, I always felt like I was listening to the subs and not the whole system. I did have 2 of my subs behind for a long time, but it was not near field since each was 8’ away corner loaded. This was pretty good, but I got better results with them up front.

Personally I feel you’re suffering analysis paralysis. I also think there is too much weight being put on multiple subs(although I use 3) since you’re a beginner, and afaik are focused on one primary seat. I think you’re best option is buy one great sun that’s on the list and try it out. That might mean SVS since you’ve voiced concern over the HSU being so much less expensive, and you can also send it back disk free. Have them send you a pc2000, or whatever you want, and take the time to integrate it(which is easier than 2(get your feet wet) and see how it goes. SVS also has a great upgrade path too. I have no doubt you’d be happy with any sub that’s been discussed, including the HSU’s but maybe for your peace in mind go to SVS. They aren’t one of the best for nothing!i mean this respectfully, but most of us chiming in, have been doing this for a looong time and while you did understand much of the advice, you’ve even admitted yourself that it’s mostly Greek. In this light I honestly feel like baby steps will keep you interested, and keep you learning and understanding instead of possibly over who and frustrated. The latter can leave people with less than great results and they can lose interest quickly. Don’t want to see that.
Just my .02.

On your too much weight point...some truth in that...but just about everyone of my friends systems that I've heard has a single sub, mostly tucked in a corner. (placement could be a factor) but for my taste now (not liking localization in music) I think they would all benefit from either more sub (meaning a larger one better positioned) or another one to balance it out. At the same time, realizing not everyone is a basshead or into music the way I am, I never say anything negative.

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

On your too much weight point...some truth in that...but just about everyone of my friends systems that I've heard has a single sub, mostly tucked in a corner. (placement could be a factor) but for my taste now (not liking localization in music) I think they would all benefit from either more sub (meaning a larger one better positioned) or another one to balance it out. At the same time, realizing not everyone is a basshead or into music the way I am, I never say anything negative.

Can’t really disagree. I believe in, and use multiple subs. My point here though, is he has freedom to place the sub, and one main LP to worry about. Near field mixed with other subs out in the room is different than a single behind the LP, and I think he can place a single(for now until he is comfortable navigating his system and understands setting up multiple subs) sub to satisfy his LP. I just think it’s a little like giving my 16yo the keys to my race car when he has to really try hard just to drive his regular car to work. I feel like OP just needs more hands on first is all. Good to see ya posting! Been awhile.