Comparing AV receivers by their weight. Does it signify anything? Are the heavier ones better constructed, better power supplies?

Spock7of9

Spock7of9

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I've been comparing receivers lately: Yamaha RX-A3080 , Denon AVR-X6500H , Marantz SR7013 and Pioneer Elite SC-LX90. While there's a lot to compare; power, easy of use, room correction , DACs and signal processing. My question is does weight of the receivers signify anything? Are the heavier ones better constructed, better power supplies?
 
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PENG

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I've been comparing receivers lately: Yamaha RX-A3080 , Denon AVR-X6500H , Marantz SR7013 and Pioneer Elite SC-LX90. While there's a lot to compare; power, easy of use, room correction , DACs and signal processing. My question is does weight of the receivers signify anything? Are the heavier ones better constructed, better power supplies?
All else being equal, yes, but not always. Otherwise, those with fans could be lighter as they don't need as much heat sinks. Also, some use custom designed/made transformers that could be more efficient, therefore lighter in terms of lb/VA. There are other factors such as class AB, G, H, vs class d etc., and linear power supply vs switching power supply. Some are designed for higher dynamic but lower multichannel driven continuous rating so again could be lighter. So it is hard to generalize. Obviously, a 52 lbs avr-x8500h is going to have a larger transformer than the 38 lbs SR8012.
 
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one more time

one more time

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While it might have some bearing on the weight of the transformer in the power supply, that would be a gross oversimplification. That would be like marrying a woman simply because she has big boobs.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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Use of plastics, minimal chassis/heat sinks, lighter metals, different amp classes, all can conspire against using weight as a meaningful spec.
 
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PENG

Audioholic Slumlord
Agreed, transformer is just one factor. The avr-x8500h's tranny alone weighs as much as the entry level Yamaha avr, but there are many other factors.
 
GrimSurfer

GrimSurfer

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An obsession with weight, in the absence of an understanding of what it may infer, led to Japanese manufacturers in the 70s and 80s to fit heavy plates to the bottom chassis of amps. This supported a sales technique of a customer to lift an amp to see how heavy it was and, therefore, how robustly it was constructed.

Today's version of this old scam is that heavy chassis reduce vibrations. That may be true to an extent but how often is this really a problem?

Weight means nothing by itself. But weight, with impressive specs (power supply current draw, scaled 8 and 4 ohm ratings, low operating temps denoting the presence of adequate heat sinking, etc might infer something.

If the person selling the gear can't logically explain why an amp is heavy and there's no obvious specs to logically explain it, then the weight is probably a meaningless design feature used to drive the myth that heavy = good.

If in doubt, ask the salesman to open the unit (which will almost certainly be refused at a big box store but may be done at a sound specialty shop if there's anything behind the claim). Some manufacturers make it easy by sending stores units with Perspex top plates allowing shoppers to see component layout, heat sinks, transformers etc.
 
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Spock7of9

Spock7of9

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All else being equal, yes, but not always. Otherwise, those with fans could be lighter as they don't need as much heat sinks. Also, some use custom designed/made transformers that could be more efficient, therefore lighter in terms of lb/VA. There are other factors such as class AB, G, H, vs class d etc., and linear power supply vs switching power supply. Some are designed for higher dynamic but lower multichannel driven continuous rating so again could be lighter. So it is hard to generalize. Obviously, a 52 lbs avr-x8500h is going to have a larger transformer than the 38 lbs SR8012.
In comparing the receivers I mentioned the (Yamaha RX-A3080 is 39.9 lb.) ( Pioneer Elite SC-LX801 is 39.5 lb) (Marantz SR7013 is 31.1lb.) (Denon AVR-X6500H is 32.2 lb.) It appears the weight of the Yamaha and the Pioneer are significantly heavier then the Marantz and Denon. 25% heaver. All are at similar price points and the denon has 11ch of amplification which should make it heaver. All others are 9ch. I believe the Pioneer uses class D amps while the others use class AB. I'm just wondering if it is a factor in the longevity of the devices.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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Longevity isn't particularly connected to weight IMO (altho extra active cooling can help). Consumer electronics these days are what they are....
 
GrimSurfer

GrimSurfer

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There can be a difference in switched mode power supplies for Class D and toroidal power supplies for AB amps. SMPS is far lighter. Also, Ds are more efficient and don't require the heat sinks ABs do.
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

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There can be a difference in switched mode power supplies for Class D and toroidal power supplies for AB amps. SMPS is far lighter. Also, Ds are more efficient and don't require the heat sinks ABs do.
Or the lighter weight of a toroidal vs EI power supply?
 
GrimSurfer

GrimSurfer

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Or the lighter weight of a toroidal vs EI power supply?
I don't think there's much difference there... both use iron cores and copper windings. One shaped like a donut, the other like an I or E.

Toroids just do a better job managing magnetic fields. They don't have higher power densities afaik.
 
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Danzilla31

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While it might have some bearing on the weight of the transformer in the power supply, that would be a gross oversimplification. That would be like marrying a woman simply because she has big boobs.
I can think of worse reasons :D
 
AcuDefTechGuy

AcuDefTechGuy

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In comparing the receivers I mentioned the (Yamaha RX-A3080 is 39.9 lb.) ( Pioneer Elite SC-LX801 is 39.5 lb) (Marantz SR7013 is 31.1lb.) (Denon AVR-X6500H is 32.2 lb.) It appears the weight of the Yamaha and the Pioneer are significantly heavier then the Marantz and Denon. 25% heaver.
I would take the Yamaha over all the other brands only because of 2 things:
#1 in reliability and HDMI compatibility (M Code).

It has nothing to do with weight IMO.

My Denon AVP-A1HDCI weigh about 60LBS and it broke after 8 years. So I would not be concerned about weight at all.
 
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