Not getting optimal sound from laptop via HDMI

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Perhaps Salk fits right in, trying to tell people that using Alnico magnets in drivers makes them sound better.

http://www.salksound.com/model.php?model=Exotica 3
AlNiCo does make a speaker sound different and if you want to hear this, listen to guitar amps. In the '60s, Cobalt was designated as a strategic material, so it wasn't available for civilian use and the best option at the time was ceramic (Strontium Ferrite) magnets. AlNiCo has also been used in guitar pickups- these also have a different sound. Whether the differences makes the speaker or pickup 'better' is up to the person using it but the differences aren't subtle when used for musical instruments.
 
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Irvrobinson

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AlNiCo does make a speaker sound different and if you want to hear this, listen to guitar amps. In the '60s, Cobalt was designated as a strategic material, so it wasn't available for civilian use and the best option at the time was ceramic (Strontium Ferrite) magnets. AlNiCo has also been used in guitar pickups- these also have a different sound. Whether the differences makes the speaker or pickup 'better' is up to the person using it but the differences aren't subtle when used for musical instruments.
Baloney. This is right up there with special power cables on the baloney meter.
 
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Or the Bybee room treatment. A small block of wood with something high tech inside discovered in top secret navy research that dramatically changes the sound in the room. As the atoms of the sound waves gets near a barrier they are chaotic but the Bybee device helps orient those atoms in an orderly fashion.

This ByBee treatment?

http://bybeetech.com/?page_id=136

"The Bybee-QSE is a compact (4 X 6 X 1/4 Inch) attractive walnut wood panel, with a felt-covered bottom"

Probably the most accurate statement ever made about this kind of thing-
"This QSE will last a lifetime without losing effectiveness."

"All models of the QSE are energized by surrounding electromagnetic energy, but this unit is now has an internal design and engineering that makes it even more effective than prior model."

What the what????? It's freaking wood!

What's your take on the batteries used in AudioQuest cables?
 
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Baloney. This is right up there with special power cables on the baloney meter.
What's baloney? AlNiCo use stopped in the '60s, then started again after it became available. As far as the sound, listen to any guitar amp with each type of magnet- don't just blow it off because you don't want to believe it. I have amplifiers that were sold with AlNico and the sound with ceramic speakers with the same impedance sound different, and it's not about the frequency response. AlNiCo has different magnetic properties.
 
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shadyJ

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AlNiCo has different magnetic properties.
How so? The only thing a magnet does in a speaker driver is contribute flux for the coil to react off of. However you generate the permanent magnetic force is a quantitative matter, not qualitative. There is only an amount of magnetic force, not different types.
 
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Irvrobinson

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What's baloney? AlNiCo use stopped in the '60s, then started again after it became available. As far as the sound, listen to any guitar amp with each type of magnet- don't just blow it off because you don't want to believe it. I have amplifiers that were sold with AlNico and the sound with ceramic speakers with the same impedance sound different, and it's not about the frequency response. AlNiCo has different magnetic properties.
I really thought you had a better understanding of science than this. Alnico can be cast into shapes, unlike neodymium, and it has a higher flux density than steel magnets. Alnico also retains its magnetism under higher temperatures than other magnets, making it better suited for some applications. Alnico use in audio products looks like pure nostalgia, like tube amps and vinyl. I don't know much about microphone design, so perhaps the ability to make castings is somehow an advantage, but it looks suspicious. For speaker magnets, neodymium is an audiophile's best friend.
 
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I really thought you had a better understanding of science than this. Alnico can be cast into shapes, unlike neodymium, and it has a higher flux density than steel magnets. Alnico also retains its magnetism under higher temperatures than other magnets, making it better suited for some applications. Alnico use in audio products looks like pure nostalgia, like tube amps and vinyl. I don't know much about microphone design, so perhaps the ability to make castings is somehow an advantage, but it looks suspicious. For speaker magnets, neodymium is an audiophile's best friend.
I'm not saying the AlNiCo is the only thing that makes the difference in speakers but aside from those, it was used in guitar pickups, not microphones. In speakers, some have designed them to use either a ceramic or AlNiCo with no other modifications and the sound IS different. As I originally wrote, whether it's actually 'better' is up to the user.

These aren't audiophile applications that I'm referring to, but differences can be heard. The AlNiCo is slugs, like many other magnets and I would think that part of the difference IS in the shape of the magnet since the ferrite is usually more of a donut and is outside of the voice coil, unlike the AlNiCo.

IMO, I would guess that the different shape/dimensions of the magnets matters more than the material (taller slug vs thin donut), but I haven't seen any data on the fields vs flux in the gap. Most guitar speakers aren't able to move far and they don't need to. I would like to see Salk's explanation for why he chose this.
 
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DamienS

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Nothing like a wandering thread! From bad HDMI, to Windows drivers, to the ethics of review writing before diverging onto the magnetic properties of AINiCo. How did that happen :).

However I figured I should return to the thread to report my findings. After much experimenting I have come to the conclusion that my laptop is for want of a more technical term - bollocksed (at least in regards to the audio side of things).

Due to the installation of Windows pro, while the laptop had been manufactured with a BIOS for Windows Home I am limited in being able to update drivers. I have tried unplugging all the monitors (screens) and only having the HDMI run for audio to the AVR and still the audio is not good. Any other computer I have hooked up to it via HDMI the audio is very good (darn near as good as HEOS) to my ears.

For this and other reasons I’m ordering a new computer this week so this should not be an ongoing issue.

Thank you again to those that responded!!
 
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DamienS

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I am not familiar with Tidal. Have you tried using iTune, Windows Media players, Foobar etc.?
Tidal is a subscription based music service, not unlike Spotify. It's selling point is that it is high quality files (FLAC). I haven't tried the other solutions you mentioned as I don't have files other than Tidal playlists.
 
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DamienS

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HEOS does Tidal without using a computer.
Yes, and I am able to stream to the AVR via HEOS from my phone. I was just looking to be able to have all audio (windows sounds, Netflix, etc.) all go through the AVR and speakers without needing to switch back and forth between sources on the AVR.
 
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PENG

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Tidal is a subscription based music service, not unlike Spotify. It's selling point is that it is high quality files (FLAC). I haven't tried the other solutions you mentioned as I don't have files other than Tidal playlists.
If it is high quality flac that's good, but to be clear, FLAC does not equal high quality as it is just one of the many lossless compression formats (I am sure you know that aleady:)). The quality of the recording/mastering is most important.
 
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DamienS

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Makes sense that it would only be as good as the recording/mastering.
Thank you.
 
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If it is high quality flac that's good, but to be clear, FLAC does not equal high quality as it is just one of the many lossless compression formats (I am sure you know that aleady:)). The quality of the recording/mastering is most important.
But it is one of the better formats that don't contain all of the bits.
 

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