Why is pro gear so expensive?

[mtrycrafts]

driven by what, driving what ?? regardless that was a previous century. So be it, do you think everything that Nelson Pass has designed in the past 30 plus years sounds the same ? I go back to his Threshold days in the eighties with fond memories of his S300 driving my Maggies of the time.

I have no regrets purchasing and using his products, besides it's pretty safe to say he's forgotten more about amplifier design than you, me or anyone else on here !

Previous century? So, our hearing acuity has surpassed the previous century acuity? Now we can hear below the threshold of detection?
Does it matter what was driving that amp? Or the speakers? After all, the only thing changed were the two amp/integrated. The golden ears, self proclaimed, could not differentiate and cheap integrated and a 5 figure monoblock.

I have no idea about all his other amps until they are tested in such a way. Probability is that they should be equivalent. So, in essence you are claiming that Nelson designs amps that may not be transparent? Would be interesting to see the specs on them all, how much they differ from each other in an audible way.

We are not talking about regrets, or preferences, only audible differences.

 

[Irvrobinson]

He tested a Pass Aleph 1.2 belonging to Steve Zipser. He , wife and a friend of his failed.

The Aleph 1.2 was a single-ended solid-state amp introduced by Nelson over ten years ago. He likes to experiment with idiosyncratic circuits, though now he uses First Watt rather than Pass Labs (which went more mainstream, sort of). Using this example to make your point is as weird as that amp is.

 

[Mikado463]

Previous century? So, our hearing acuity has surpassed the previous century acuity? Now we can hear below the threshold of detection?
Does it matter what was driving that amp? Or the speakers? After all, the only thing changed were the two amp/integrated. The golden ears, self proclaimed, could not differentiate and cheap integrated and a 5 figure monoblock.

I have no idea about all his other amps until they are tested in such a way. Probability is that they should be equivalent. So, in essence you are claiming that Nelson designs amps that may not be transparent? Would be interesting to see the specs on them all, how much they differ from each other in an audible way.

We are not talking about regrets, or preferences, only audible differences.

well Mr Know-it-all if you don't think all other components make a difference including the room fine but my asking was because, as an example, if one was driving very efficient speakers vs inefficient speakers that could very well make a difference. Besides if you want to follow the every word of your buddy Tom, that's fine, but you have never listened to my system nor do you know anything about it. Go ahead and criticize ..........

The fact that you and handful of others on here like to make fun of anybody that sees fit to use something other than an AVR or inexpensive pro-audio amplification to drive their speakers will have no effect on Nelson Pass or anyone else that enjoys his offerings.

 

[mtrycrafts]

The Aleph 1.2 was a single-ended solid-state amp introduced by Nelson over ten years ago. He likes to experiment with idiosyncratic circuits, though now he uses First Watt rather than Pass Labs (which went more mainstream, sort of). Using this example to make your point is as weird as that amp is.

Well, it was a $15k amp and even though it was single ended, no difference was detected by those 3 individuals. Should have been an easy test to pass with that amp.
Must have been just bad luck.

 

[mtrycrafts]

well Mr Know-it-all if you don't think all other components make a difference including the room fine but my asking was because, as an example, if one was driving very efficient speakers vs inefficient speakers that could very well make a difference. Besides if you want to follow the every word of your buddy Tom, that's fine, but you have never listened to my system nor do you know anything about it. Go ahead and criticize ..........

The fact that you and handful of others on here like to make fun of anybody that sees fit to use something other than an AVR or inexpensive pro-audio amplification to drive their speakers will have no effect on Nelson Pass or anyone else that enjoys his offerings.

The room? Really? It didn't change. The test was in Steve Zipser's home, his speaker, everything else in the chain was his. He should have been able to detect any change to his system. Didn't happen. Why is that????

I don't need to listen to your system nor care what you own. It is you that should conduct some DBT testing to a statistical significance to know what you can really detect, or not, not me. Making testable claims is another thing.
As to making fun of you, how so? You are free to enjoy any amp on the planet you choose.

As to knowing it all, I just wish I did. Actually, far from it.

 

[Mikado463]

The room? Really? It didn't change. The test was in Steve Zipser's home, his speaker, everything else in the chain was his. He should have been able to detect any change to his system. Didn't happen. Why is that????

what I meant was not knowing all components in the chain(Steve's system) it is certainly possible that differences could not be heard. is it possible that with a highly revealing / resolving system in a well thought out room (acoustically) could in fact reveal a difference ? Who knows, whatever, the fact that Tom's three friends couldn't with respect to the set up they were listening to means what it means in that scenario, not all of the possibilities !

Regardless, enjoy your music !

 

[mtrycrafts]

what I meant was not knowing all components in the chain(Steve's system) it is certainly possible that differences could not be heard. is it possible that with a highly revealing / resolving system in a well thought out room (acoustically) could in fact reveal a difference ? Who knows, whatever, the fact that Tom's three friends couldn't with respect to the set up they were listening to means what it means in that scenario, not all of the possibilities !

Regardless, enjoy your music !

Well, Steve was a "Golden Ear" audiophile.
I suppose a system is never revealing enough until it can show audible differences between components, any component, wire, amp, Cd player, you name it.
And, he did claim he could hear differences until, of course, he didn't know which component he was listening to at any one time.
Yes, not all possibilities were tested, only Steve's setup in Steve's home that he knew very well, each and every component in the chain.