Apply Music privacy violation

haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Here is the situation..... just a warning to you guys so you know how Apple respect your privacy of things.

I decided to make a trial on the Apple Music subscription just to see how it works... After Iwhile I came to the conclusion not to continue as I am not happy with the music quality of the streaming, sounds bad and artificial to me, probably some over compression somewhere, the reason why does not matter in this case.

I terminated subscription of Apple Music and voila, what happens next:

90% of the music that I peronally uploaded to the phone is gone and deleted and made unavailable by Apple. I know this is easy to fix if you in any case have the computer with iTunes at hand, but I don't. Anyway, that's not the point.

The point is that Apple violated my privacy by messing with my private information and deleting private information on MY phone and make it unavalaible to me. How can I trust Apple with my private data when they show this kind of disregard to what is mine and steal away my private things.

I will asap deactivate all my Apple Services, Sell my iphone and probably never buy an Apple product again. I do not want to deal with a company that intrudes into my private life.

Probably something in small letters that I didn't read but so what. Apple is clearly out of line here....
 
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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
13 years ago I worked for Apple. Spent 7 years there actually. As a result I do not and have never owned an Apple product. My internal company password was applesucks if that tells you anything lol.
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
13 years ago I worked for Apple. Spent 7 years there actually. As a result I do not and have never owned an Apple product. My internal company password was applesucks if that tells you anything lol.
Good thing that 2nd hand market for iPhones is flourishing here :)
 
Montucky

Montucky

Full Audioholic
And people wonder why I still refuse to rely on the "cloud" for most things. Your story is but a cautionary tale to the rest of us. Apple can't take away my CDs! No video streaming service can take away my movies!

When it comes to Apple & iTunes, I learned my lesson the hard way years ago when I accidentally had the "Let iTunes manage my library" option checked. BIG mistake. After many years of carefully curating my digital music library, iTunes shuffled up all my actual folders and files in its own "preferred" way, renaming everything along the way. Foolishly, I didn't have a redundant backup. A bunch of my music mysteriously disappeared too. Lesson learned. :(
 

TechHDS

Audioholic General
I deleted All those apps on my iPhone, bad enough Apple can read All your text, contact list, emails. Come to think of it? I’m going back to a landline phone! I grew up without a cell phone! Didn’t need one back in the 70’s and 80’s don’t need one now!! Big brother can kiss my &$$!! Lol.

Mike
 
Bookmark

Bookmark

Full Audioholic
This unfortunately is a problem for any service, not just Apple, where you do not actually own the material, just a license to play it. If they go out of business, change the terms or are sold to another party then they are obligated, by the "Copyright" holders to assume worst case scenarios. When you terminate the contract, they take these kinds of measures.

The files were deleted because Apple treated the whole collection as part of the Music subscription, even though some files was under an actual separate license. Apple could of checked and avoided this but obviously didn't bother.

You do not own any digital material be it music, videos, films, software, etc. You own a right to play/use it, you do not and never can own it. Try reading the endlessly long, microscopic printed terms and conditions some time and see how little they care about you or your rights.
 
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pewternhrata

Audioholic Chief
This unfortunately is a problem for any service, not just Apple, where you do not actually own the material, just a license to play it. If they go out of business, change the terms or are sold to another party then they are obligated, by the "Copyright" holders to assume worst case scenarios. When you terminate the contract, they take these kinds of measures.

The files were deleted because Apple treated the whole collection as part of the Music subscription, even though some files was under an actual separate license. Apple could of checked and avoided this but obviously didn't bother.

You do not own any digital material be it music, videos, films, software, etc. You own a right to play/use it, you do not and never can own it. Try reading the endlessly long, microscopic printed terms and conditions some time and see how little they care about you or your rights.
A rant towards any service, they all make money off of us. Read through page after page of 'legal' documents all of these services provide us. Yes, we can ourselves, sell our 'user data' but it's worth less than pennies on the dollar...onto a service with millions of users, that less than pennies adds up quick...long shot but look at mr pirate bay or hey mr Facebook himself...apple samsung hp dell amazon Google the list goes on, they all 'own' our data and we let it happen because we dont want, or are too dumb, to own our own...
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I had original Gen1 iPhone and I've bathed in its technological marvel. Way ahead of time. Touchscreen and touch GUI all existed prior of course, but Apple just made easy and intuitive to use. The nearly perfect web browser on a mobile device was absolutely unheard of back then.
What I was much less thrilled about is originally Apple didn't even want 3rd party apps on its devices. Web apps would do they said. Well, they just didn't. Apple store was born out of that need.

On the music front. I don't know if anything changed (nor I really care to know anyhow) but back then the only way to load actual music/video Files onto iPhone was to use fucking iTunes which was (still is?) so hilariously bad on the windows version, that it couldn't be possibly anything else but not very subtle attempt to steer users towards Macs where iTunes always "just worked".
I swore off buying any Apple devices and if not for the one free iPad Air2 I got brand new for free (valued $400 at the time) I'd not have a single apple device in my home. Used mainly as a backup for plex client etc..
 
Dmantis10

Dmantis10

Audioholic
I have Apple Music and have had it since the beginning. I use it to find new music, listen to new albums, check out stuff I don't own or from my past i never picked up.
But I still buy CD's and rip them to my music library. I much prefer the sound of a real CD ripped using Apple Lossless or Flac over the 256k streaming quality from Apple or any other streaming service up to 320k anyway.
Not the 256k sound bad, it just sounds like it's not as dynamic or rich if you will. I know the compression tools used today are excellent to retain the sound quality but I can notice a huge difference when listening to the real thing vs a stream.
All my Cd's I ripped are still in my Library, Apple Music didn't delete any of it. If I read that correctly you lost your own personal purchased or ripped CD music in your library?
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
And people wonder why I still refuse to rely on the "cloud" for most things. Your story is but a cautionary tale to the rest of us. Apple can't take away my CDs! No video streaming service can take away my movies!

When it comes to Apple & iTunes, I learned my lesson the hard way years ago when I accidentally had the "Let iTunes manage my library" option checked. BIG mistake. After many years of carefully curating my digital music library, iTunes shuffled up all my actual folders and files in its own "preferred" way, renaming everything along the way. Foolishly, I didn't have a redundant backup. A bunch of my music mysteriously disappeared too. Lesson learned. :(
IMHO this has nothing to do with the cloud, but mistaken functionality by Apple services on the phone.

I will suggest you are not safe... only storing things at home !

WHY:
CDs can disappear, so can your movies. I remember the story of one member of this forum living in New Orleans, where hurricane Katrina took his whole house into the Mexico Gulf, he had lots of backups but only in his house. everything gone forever. One of the worst things were childhood and family photos that can never be replaced. Material things can be replaced but some things cannot.

WHAT CAN YOU DO:
I keep all my photos on five different locations... HDD at home, Telenor MyCloud (provided by my mobile provider),OpenDrive, Google and iCloud (iCloud goes away now)
- Phones sync to Telenor MyCloud, Google and iCloud at the same time
- Manual copy of photos to a local HDD that automatically sync to OpenDrive, there is a quite affordable unlimited storage option, I do now have 1.8T of backups, photos and videos synced that way.
This is manual so that if any failure in phones, it will not be automatically propagated,
The backups in OpenDrive is encrypted with the strongest algorithm I can find and a password that should take 4 sextillion years to crack ... so the time to crack those passwords would be 289,855,072 times the age of the universe.... pretty safe passwords, yes I am paranoid
Use for instance a password like this :]?;n,[V.Sh#>K7:s(@JvQc%

If you would put your photos on Amazon S3 storage service, they have 99.9999999% guaranteed uptime, which means they guarantee less than 0.03 seconds unavailability during a year. And everything you put there will be stored in 3 different locations. Same with Microsoft, anything stored in the cloud is guaranteed in three different locations. If you pay more you can make it in additional locations, there is no limit.

ON PRIVACY:
you will say Microsoft is not safe.... thing is Scott Guthrie, vice president of Server and Cloud refused to provide private data to authorities according to a court order, with the claim he has no right to the clients data. He was facing potential jail time for disrespect of court, but this in order to protect client privacy. Microsoft is building data centers where not even Microsoft do have access to the data you have with them.
Would you be able to trust Microsoft with your data? I think the above answer that question. I don't use Microsoft and Amazon in this specific case due to pricing.

Google and Apple does not have the same history with privacy but if tehy want to use my photos, go on :)

CLOUD:
So my clear claim, if you want to be safe your critical information must be in the cloud, just make sure you do it the right way so you are safe.

This unfortunately is a problem for any service, not just Apple, where you do not actually own the material, just a license to play it. If they go out of business, change the terms or are sold to another party then they are obligated, by the "Copyright" holders to assume worst case scenarios. When you terminate the contract, they take these kinds of measures.

The files were deleted because Apple treated the whole collection as part of the Music subscription, even though some files was under an actual separate license. Apple could of checked and avoided this but obviously didn't bother.

You do not own any digital material be it music, videos, films, software, etc. You own a right to play/use it, you do not and never can own it. Try reading the endlessly long, microscopic printed terms and conditions some time and see how little they care about you or your rights.
Of course you are correct in the licensing terms, but that does not give Apple the rights to fu#¤$ up my music library
 
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Drunkpenguin

Audioholic Chief
If you are not yet concerned about the Apple license agreement, I highly suggest you find and watch the South Park episode about it. :eek:
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
If you are not yet concerned about the Apple license agreement, I highly suggest you find and watch the South Park episode about it. :eek:
I read a blogpost about a guy once reading through a complete Oracle License Agreement, he had nightmares about it until about a year or so later o_O
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
I read a blogpost about a guy once reading through a complete Oracle License Agreement, he had nightmares about it until about a year or so later o_O
Have you complained to Apple? :po_O
 
haraldo

haraldo

Audioholic Warlord
Just to add to this..... I don't have Macbook anymore, and iTunes on windows fails loading device drivers for iPhone, how about that... so there is no way to get music onto the phone again....

Rolling over to Android - Sony + Tidal streaming
 
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