classroom confusion

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torbee

Audiophyte
I've got a classroom with a projector connected to a pc on which I run PowerPoint presentations with multiple video files for up to 8 hours in a day. Right now I use cheap computer speakers connected to the pc but I would like to upgrade by installing speakers on each sides of the screen and a speaker on the side walls towards the back of the room. The quality of the speakers isn't a big deal so I bought 4 Amazon recommended wall mounted speakers with following specs:
  • Frequency Response: 100Hz-20kHz
  • Woofer: 4" Polyelite PVA Surround
  • Midrange: 1.6" Polypropylene Cone
  • Tweeter: 0.78" Piezo Dome
  • Sensitivity: 85.5 dB
  • Nominal Impedance: 4-6 Ohms
  • 100 Watt Peak Power - 50 Watts RMS
I would like to control the volume of the front speakers separately from the side walls speakers. What do I need to purchase to do that? What else do I need to purchase? I'm looking for cheaper solutions...

Thanks
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Probably an inexpensive or even used avr (audio video receiver) would do the trick, run either in a surround mode or an all-channel stereo mode. Helpful to know what kind of connections you need for the computer/projector. Always helpful to know specific make/model of gear in question, too.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I've got a classroom with a projector connected to a pc on which I run PowerPoint presentations with multiple video files for up to 8 hours in a day. Right now I use cheap computer speakers connected to the pc but I would like to upgrade by installing speakers on each sides of the screen and a speaker on the side walls towards the back of the room. The quality of the speakers isn't a big deal so I bought 4 Amazon recommended wall mounted speakers with following specs:
  • Frequency Response: 100Hz-20kHz
  • Woofer: 4" Polyelite PVA Surround
  • Midrange: 1.6" Polypropylene Cone
  • Tweeter: 0.78" Piezo Dome
  • Sensitivity: 85.5 dB
  • Nominal Impedance: 4-6 Ohms
  • 100 Watt Peak Power - 50 Watts RMS
I would like to control the volume of the front speakers separately from the side walls speakers. What do I need to purchase to do that? What else do I need to purchase? I'm looking for cheaper solutions...

Thanks
I assume your PC speakers were powered. Now you have bought passive speakers. If you had bought powered speakers this would have been easy. Now there are no really simple solutions. Probably your cheapest solution is a mono PA amp and impedance matching volume controls. If you can return the speakers you have bought I would and purchase powered speakers that can run off the PC.
 
T

torbee

Audiophyte
Probably an inexpensive or even used avr (audio video receiver) would do the trick, run either in a surround mode or an all-channel stereo mode. Helpful to know what kind of connections you need for the computer/projector. Always helpful to know specific make/model of gear in question, too.
The pc is a typical desktop with its av connectors. It is connected to a projector via DVI cable although we are looking at an hdmi cable if length permits.
 
T

torbee

Audiophyte
I assume your PC speakers were powered. Now you have bought passive speakers. If you had bought powered speakers this would have been easy. Now there are no really simple solutions. Probably your cheapest solution is a mono PA amp and impedance matching volume controls. If you can return the speakers you have bought I would and purchase powered speakers that can run off the PC.
I'm not sure that's the best solution because doesn't 1 of the 2 speakers need to be connected to the other? I suppose I can run a 20 ft cable through the ceiling (we're in modular offices) to the other wall and speaker... Then I would need a splitter to connect each powered speaker to the a/v on the back of the desktop? Volumes would be set on the speakers themselves but can they be altered in pair? What happens if I change the volumes on the PowerPoint application? would that change the volume on the speakers?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
The pc is a typical desktop with its av connectors. It is connected to a projector via DVI cable although we are looking at an hdmi cable if length permits.
While you can mix active and passive speakers (as I'm also assuming as TLSGuy did since you aren't being specific) with an avr that has pre-outs for your active speakers and using the hdmi output to your projector. HDMI distance is important so you should be specific there, too (there are active hdmi cables for longer runs, too). Be specific about what connections are possible on your desktop, they vary. For example, do you have your current speakers connected via 3.5mm headphone output or dual rca analog, does the pc have a full 7.1 set of 3.5mm or rca plug analog outputs or what exactly?
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
That Sony only has pre-outs for subwoofers, not speaker channels, so it could only power your Amazon speakers, you'd be stuck on getting signal for your active speakers. Usually channel pre-outs come at somewhat a premium for an avr, that's one reason I mentioned used (many people get rid of fine avrs just to update to the latest tech that it appears you won't need beyond hdmi and pre-outs unless you have other uses in mind down the road....)
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Just what is the reason for the extra speakers, just for clarity or something? Another consideration would be simply to upgrade to more capable active speakers, something like the JBL 308s for example....
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Yes, TLSGuy is correct that we are presently using cheap ($15) pc type active speakers connected to the 3.5 mm headphone output. The option I'm looking at is to purchase a Sony STRDH550 5.2 Channel 4K AV Receiver connected to the speakers above.
I really don't know what you want to play through these speakers.

I have the impression this is basically a classroom PA type system. If that is the case then a receiver is the wrong solution, they make terrible PA systems.

I also don't understand why you want speakers in the rear this will upset clarity.

If this system is just for playing pre recorded program as an adjunct to the power point lecture then all you need is two good powered speakers up front. If you are planning to add a mic then that is a more complicated issue.

I do note you have a penchant for buying cheap junk which is never a good plan whatever your goals are.

We really can't help unless we know what the purpose of this is and what facilities you need. Then we can tell you how to do it properly. I suspect you have already purchased unsuitable equipment.
 
T

torbee

Audiophyte
I really don't know what you want to play through these speakers.

I have the impression this is basically a classroom PA type system. If that is the case then a receiver is the wrong solution, they make terrible PA systems.

I also don't understand why you want speakers in the rear this will upset clarity.

If this system is just for playing pre recorded program as an adjunct to the power point lecture then all you need is two good powered speakers up front. If you are planning to add a mic then that is a more complicated issue.

I do note you have a penchant for buying cheap junk which is never a good plan whatever your goals are.

We really can't help unless we know what the purpose of this is and what facilities you need. Then we can tell you how to do it properly. I suspect you have already purchased unsuitable equipment.
Thank you for your feedback. Yes, this is a classroom presentation system, which is why I am not looking for a high or even mid end solution and a pair of powered speakers may prove to be the simplest and ultimately cheaper solution. I will return the 4 passive speakers to Amazon and trade them for a pair of powered ones.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thank you for your feedback. Yes, this is a classroom presentation system, which is why I am not looking for a high or even mid end solution and a pair of powered speakers may prove to be the simplest and ultimately cheaper solution. I will return the 4 passive speakers to Amazon and trade them for a pair of powered ones.
What I'm trying to tell you is that this a commercial application and if you buy something cheap it will go wrong and be a hassle. You need something with durability, which most Far Eastern junk is not known for.
 
BMXTRIX

BMXTRIX

Audioholic Warlord
is this a classroom that you run for free or does it actually occupy the time of people that have paid to be there or you are paying while they are there?

There a picture everyone needs to paint between the two and the first option is that everything you do is for free, they are there on their own time, and it's just you trying to be nice to make things better.

The second is that the people and yourself are in a space which may costs $100+ per hour, every hour, that room is in use. Then you want a 'cheap' solution which will be somewhat complex to use and won't give the best results, but it is necessary because the very first really cheap solution isn't proving to be effective. The hangup being the requirement for dual zone audio volume control within the same room.

While I think you should use OWI in-ceiling speakers with audio coming directly off the projector, you can use whatever speakers you want and I would go with a dual zone A/V receiver.

Front and rear speaker controls can be done by using a dual zone A/V receiver connected to both spaces and each zone will have it's own volume. This can be done with receivers which are DECADES old for not a lot of cash. You can hook it up analog from your laptop to the receiver and run the two zones of audio completely separately.

I have used A/V receivers to drive multiple speakers within a commercial environment before and it does work very well, but it was also tied into a control system to make it very easy to use. I'm not sure that what you want to do will be particularly easy to use since you want a bunch of different volume control options.

You also need to understand that any audio that comes out of your computer will always impact all the speakers at the same time.

I will add, that IMO you should have gotten in-ceiling speakers, not on-wall speakers. You want to fill the room with audio the same way that you fill a room with light. Your active speakers will go in the trash can and you will only use the speakers you have purchased.

The Sony receiver you linked will provide audio everywhere, all at once, and you may run HDMI out of your computer, through the receiver, and on to the projector as a solution. But, while you can balance the speakers a bit through trim controls of the receiver, you can't turn up the rear speakers independently easily the way you could with a two-zone receiver.

Something, though quite dated, like this will do both the front and the rears completely independently.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Yamaha-RX-V2700-7-1-Channel-140-Watt-Receiver-Used-Working-Original-Packaging/273091371213?epid=55028681&hash=item3f9583a0cd:g:nrsAAOSw5WVamK1-

You would hook up the analog stereo output from your laptop to the receiver to get the two zones working properly.

Newer dual zone A/V receivers could handle everything using the HDMI connection out of your laptop.

What is the make/model of the projector you are using?
 
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