How to tell if blew speakers

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jbo

Audioholic Intern
hello - so was having trouble with Denon AVRX 2400 (heos and spotify etc from all devices was dropping after 5-10 mins). i phoned the store purchaed from and they advised to do a factory reset (which i did). unfortuantely i didnt think it through, and when the reciever came back on - it was at max volume 99. i played music at 99 for about 2 seconds before hitting the volume down..

anyways - now - went to watch netflix and i can hear some music but no dialogue/voices. perhaps i havent gone through the setup properly - but worried i have blown the speakers now. strangely - music seems to sound fine when played through heos or spotify on the speakers..i thought it sounded normal. but if voices not playing this seems a bad sign (or issued w/ reciever?
any advise appreciated
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I thought a factory reset automatically set the volume to 0 (as in mute).

If the speakers sound fine playing music, you did not blow them. Listen to make sure sound is coming from each speakers driver (each woofer, midrange, and tweeter) to make sure no driver is blown, but I would expect you to notice an issue.
To loose voice makes me think maybe the system is set for 5 speakers, but your speakers are connected to the surround speaker connections. Not sure what else might do that.
 
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jbo

Audioholic Intern
Hi Kurt, not sure why but the factory reset took it to 99 as i discovered when i went to try some music. it was a few seconds but was very loud.

the music seems ok to my ear but i'm not an expert - perhaps you are right- maybe i need to do proper set up of system again
thanks for perhaps saving my evening. i was quite upset
 
J

jbo

Audioholic Intern
would they not blow from coming on at max volume? i cant tell if they are normal now - have to go to bed and solve another day
 
lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
That's not a good sign after a full reset for the volume to be at 99, you may have a faulty unit. The speakers may have weathered it but you need to do a full Audyssey setup since the reset resets that. No voices sounds like the center isn't active or is turned way down...
 
J

jbo

Audioholic Intern
thanks lovinthehd. yah i think denon may be faulty as wont hold connection to mac, tablet or phone when playing music anymore. its under warranty so not worried about that. but not sure about the speakers finding it hard to tell if they weathered it. will have to have them checked out perhaps

is there a way i can check if speakers are okay? sounds okay to me but any way to check the speakers properly?
 
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slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
would they not blow from coming on at max volume? i cant tell if they are normal now - have to go to bed and solve another day
If you are "not sure if your speakers are blown" by a listening test, then you very likely are fine and nothing to worry about.

Typically, you can't miss a blown speaker.
 
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Seriously, I have no life.
hello - so was having trouble with Denon AVRX 2400 (heos and spotify etc from all devices was dropping after 5-10 mins). i phoned the store purchaed from and they advised to do a factory reset (which i did). unfortuantely i didnt think it through, and when the reciever came back on - it was at max volume 99. i played music at 99 for about 2 seconds before hitting the volume down..

anyways - now - went to watch netflix and i can hear some music but no dialogue/voices. perhaps i havent gone through the setup properly - but worried i have blown the speakers now. strangely - music seems to sound fine when played through heos or spotify on the speakers..i thought it sounded normal. but if voices not playing this seems a bad sign (or issued w/ reciever?
any advise appreciated
If you did a hard reset, you need to set up all of the inputs again. HEOS and other audio streamed via the internet are internal and not subject to the same needs as external sources.
 
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thanks lovinthehd. yah i think denon may be faulty as wont hold connection to mac, tablet or phone when playing music anymore. its under warranty so not worried about that. but not sure about the speakers finding it hard to tell if they weathered it. will have to have them checked out perhaps

is there a way i can check if speakers are okay? sounds okay to me but any way to check the speakers properly?
If you can use an ethernet cable to connect the Denon to the router, do that. Do a speed test with the hand held devices- if the results are much slower than what you think they should be, move the router to a location that works better. Signal strength does not equal performance.
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
If you can use an ethernet cable to connect the Denon to the router, do that. Do a speed test with the hand held devices- if the results are much slower than what you think they should be, move the router to a location that works better. Signal strength does not equal performance.
I don't understand something you said, "signal strength does not equal performance". What do you mean by that? Also, maybe you could enlighten me about something else: I have a router/modem which gives me a 28 or thereabouts on a speed test. Connected to the router/modem is an Airport Express, which gives me a speed test reading of about 90. I'm confused about this. Can you explain?
 
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I don't understand something you said, "signal strength does not equal performance". What do you mean by that? Also, maybe you could enlighten me about something else: I have a router/modem which gives me a 28 or thereabouts on a speed test. Connected to the router/modem is an Airport Express, which gives me a speed test reading of about 90. I'm confused about this. Can you explain?
It's possible for the signal strength to be high and still not provide good speed. I have seen high signal strength and only around 2Mb/s but it depends on the network. Routers store info and if the buffer is full, it won't work well, so it needs to be reset and this is the reason the ISP's first request is "Please reset your router".

How can the Airport provide 90Mb/s when the router only provides 28Mb/s? Which router are you using? Are you testing the speed at the receiver's location? That's the first thing I would do. When you tested the router, were you using a computer connected with an ethernet cable, or a hand-held device like a cell phone, laptop or tablet? It's always best to start with a baseline, which is the simplest connection- hard wired with nothing else in the way. THEN, use WiFi, but only connect to the router. Move through the house to find the useful range of your router's WiFi before connecting the Airport. Also, make sure these are on different channels, the channel spacing is set to 20MHz and they share the SSID and password, so your devices will roam as well as possible.

When I install a system, I hard wire ALL of the devices that have an ethernet port. That way, the WiFi isn't overtaxed and you won't have so many devices competing for bandwidth.

Look in the Airport Express setup and make sure it's set to 'Create a network' and turn off NAT- if it's set up to join or extend a network, it can severely compromise performance. I have seen these completely crash a network when the settings weren't compatible.
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
Thanks for explaining. I'm not sure I comprehend but you have inspired me to become more knowledgeable about it all. My modem/router is identified as a Netgear N300 WiFi Cable ModemRouter. MY internet service is from Spectum. I am on a 100Mbps plan. The modem/router shows up on my TV and computer as a network and the Airport Express shows as another network. I believe I got the Airport Express to function in all manner through sheer accident. It is hard wired to the Netgear router/modem. I do not know the password for it today and fear attempting to reset it. At any rate, using Speedtest on my iPhone with iPhone WiFi set to modem/router network I got a 22 download reading today with my iPhone in same room as router/modem. Changing iPhone setting to Airport Express network I got an 81 download reading. This just makes me curious because my impression is if the Airport Express was not wired to the router/modem I would not have an Airport Express network and it seems if the Airport Express network function is getting its network capability from the router/modem that the router/modem would have a faster speed or the same speed as the Airport Express. Obviously, I am not understanding how things work here. Now, even not understanding, it would seem to me that using the Airport Express network rather than the router/modem network for WiFi would be best; and, indeed, my 2 laptops, as well as my iPhone and iPad are connected to the Airport Express for WiFi. My new TV's however are not because I can't remember the Airport Express password and I am very, very hesitant to reset the Airport Express, since getting it to function in the first place was as I said by sheer accident. I don't know if I could muster getting it to work again. At any rate, my whole concern here is my new TV's are not working at 100 percent from WiFi connection to modem/router network and I have thought this may have something to do with speed. My smart tv in another room sometimes will go black for a second or two when watching a movie on Sling TV; and, the TV located in same room as modem/router will sometimes need to be reconnected to modem/router. It is apparently loosing its connection for some reason. That's the status/experience to date. BTW, I could hard wire the TV to router/modem for TV located in same room as router/modem but I would need to disconnect my Bluray player from router/modem to do that since I have no more router/modem inputs. There are only two, one to the Airport Express and one to the Bluray player. I'd like to keep that hooked up to see current coming attractions when I play my DVD's.
 
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Thanks for explaining. I'm not sure I comprehend but you have inspired me to become more knowledgeable about it all. My modem/router is identified as a Netgear N300 WiFi Cable ModemRouter. MY internet service is from Spectum. I am on a 100Mbps plan. The modem/router shows up on my TV and computer as a network and the Airport Express shows as another network. I believe I got the Airport Express to function in all manner through sheer accident. It is hard wired to the Netgear router/modem. I do not know the password for it today and fear attempting to reset it. At any rate, using Speedtest on my iPhone with iPhone WiFi set to modem/router network I got a 22 download reading today with my iPhone in same room as router/modem. Changing iPhone setting to Airport Express network I got an 81 download reading. This just makes me curious because my impression is if the Airport Express was not wired to the router/modem I would not have an Airport Express network and it seems if the Airport Express network function is getting its network capability from the router/modem that the router/modem would have a faster speed or the same speed as the Airport Express. Obviously, I am not understanding how things work here. Now, even not understanding, it would seem to me that using the Airport Express network rather than the router/modem network for WiFi would be best; and, indeed, my 2 laptops, as well as my iPhone and iPad are connected to the Airport Express for WiFi. My new TV's however are not because I can't remember the Airport Express password and I am very, very hesitant to reset the Airport Express, since getting it to function in the first place was as I said by sheer accident. I don't know if I could muster getting it to work again. At any rate, my whole concern here is my new TV's are not working at 100 percent from WiFi connection to modem/router network and I have thought this may have something to do with speed. My smart tv in another room sometimes will go black for a second or two when watching a movie on Sling TV; and, the TV located in same room as modem/router will sometimes need to be reconnected to modem/router. It is apparently loosing its connection for some reason. That's the status/experience to date. BTW, I could hard wire the TV to router/modem for TV located in same room as router/modem but I would need to disconnect my Bluray player from router/modem to do that since I have no more router/modem inputs. There are only two, one to the Airport Express and one to the Bluray player. I'd like to keep that hooked up to see current coming attractions when I play my DVD's.
You need one network name (SSID) and one password, in order for your hand-held devices to be able to connect to your network. Notice that I didn't write it as a plural. You need to know that Apple network devices, especially if you use an iPhone/iPad/Macbook/iMac, really, REALLY don't like to hand off to another network. I was discussing this problem with someone and they said "When Apple devices let go of a network, they leave claw marks". It doesn't matter that the Airport was set up with NAT disabled, either- this means it's in Bridge mode, acting only as an antenna for the router and it still doesn't allow easy roaming or connection to the main network.

If you have an iPhone, go into the Airport Utility, click on Edit, enter the password and rename the network to match the Netgear. If you need to change the password, do that, too. Restart the Airport Express and see if it helps. It may not. If it's still a PITA, I would replace it with something else, but it would be best to use an actual Wireless Access Point, rather than a router that has been set up as an access point, although some do work well in this way- it's just a waste of money to do that.

One of the houses I have worked on for a long time has been in the process of some remodeling, so I had to move the office to a different floor, which is near an access point that's wired to the router through two network switches (one local, the main one in the basement with the router and modem). This is in a house that uses all Apple computers, phones and tablets, with the exception of one Android phone and my computer, when I go there. The iMac would constantly connect to the old SSID, even though I had gone into the Network settings area and removed this network, told it to forget it and it always went back to it until I turned off the radio in the Extreme and even then, the iMac was slow. This was before I replaced an Airport Extreme (used as the router) and an Express with a Luxul router and added a couple of Luxul access points. With the Airport Extreme and the same access points, I had variable speed and it generally didn't work well and with only Luxul, it was consistent, faster and all of the devices have worked better, even though they're Apple. They're on a 35Mbps plan at the moment, but I have consistently seen speeds in the 37Mbps area. Roaming is much better, I don't receive complaints and trouble calls at night and that makes me happy.

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Apple has stopped developing network hardware. If you bought the Express very recently, I would ask if it can be returned and replaced with something else.

BTW- you should see the speed you're paying for when connected to the Spectrum WiFi, possibly slightly slower on anything else connected to it (not necessarily, but it's just the reality of WiFi).

If you set the Airport to default,m it shouldn't take long to reconfigure- set it to Create a network, set NAT/DHCP to Off, give it the same name and password as the Netgear and reboot it. That should be all you need to do. If it still doesn't work, I recommend calling AppleCare so they can walk you through it.
 
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sterling shoote

Audioholic Field Marshall
The computer, iPhone, and iPad have always connected to internet with either the modem/router network or the Airport Express network and of course the Airport Express allows for listening to music from iTunes via Airplay through my pre/pro, so that's not a problem or issue. And, I'm not trying to use Airport Express as I might a device like Apple TV. But, you have made me think to look into settings for Airport Express and reset it, according to your instructions and produce a new password for it, if it is not already properly set to work in harmony with the modem/router, that's to say, if it is hindering or precluding the modem/router to work properly. Again, thank you so much for your enlightenment.
 
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