Vinyl System Stand Alone Question

YarZoR

YarZoR

Audiophyte
Hello,
I am a beginner in the sound department and wish to learn more before i go and make a substantial purchase.

My goal is to have a solid sound system that can be soft and loud with the same clarity. I want to be able to hear every sound my vinyl records has to offer in its truest form.

I wish to have a turntable, + gear + speakers on a sort of coffee table looking piece of furniture in my sun room. An assortment of records that i am currently listening to stored underneath. All of which i will build once i know my components dimensions.

I already have a pretty decent 7.1ch in my living room for movies/tv etc. So this system for my vinyl record listening, i want to be stand alone.

My question: Is there an amp/receiver/pre-amp, combo,. etc, that i should be aiming for that doesn't have all the fancy stuff? I don't need AV, don't need multi inputs, network, etc.. Just want 2ch great sounding high output sound from my turntable.

I am still very new, and trying to get a hang of the differences between the gear and systems. Take it easy on me. haha. But i do want to invest in a serious listening system to enjoy my vinyl. :)
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Hello,
I am a beginner in the sound department and wish to learn more before i go and make a substantial purchase.

My goal is to have a solid sound system that can be soft and loud with the same clarity. I want to be able to hear every sound my vinyl records has to offer in its truest form.

I wish to have a turntable, + gear + speakers on a sort of coffee table looking piece of furniture in my sun room. An assortment of records that i am currently listening to stored underneath. All of which i will build once i know my components dimensions.

I already have a pretty decent 7.1ch in my living room for movies/tv etc. So this system for my vinyl record listening, i want to be stand alone.

My question: Is there an amp/receiver/pre-amp, combo,. etc, that i should be aiming for that doesn't have all the fancy stuff? I don't need AV, don't need multi inputs, network, etc.. Just want 2ch great sounding high output sound from my turntable.

I am still very new, and trying to get a hang of the differences between the gear and systems. Take it easy on me. haha. But i do want to invest in a serious listening system to enjoy my vinyl. :)
Sounds as if you need a nice vintage rig. What is your budget?

You don't want to put the speakers in the table. There should be no physical connection between the speakers and the turntable or you will have feedback.

The other thing is I would not recommend storing LPs in a sun room. They will warp and you will be out your vinyl collection on the first hot day.
 
YarZoR

YarZoR

Audiophyte
Thanks for the reply TLS Guy.

I plan to store the LPs in a drawer in said cabinet and only a dozen or so that I am recently listening to. Out of the sun for sure. The rest will be in a library type room with cabinet style shelving.

I've read that most are using some type of speaker stand eh, or damping pad. I'll put some more research in that department.

Budget eh...I'm thinking 2k ish. CAD.

All input is appreciated.
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
Welcome to AH,

I have a few suggestions for a decent compact system that could produce high output which you wish to have.
As your budget of 2K$ is somewhat limited, you definitely need a decent receiver and a good turntable to be able to enjoy playing your LPs and keep them in excellent condition.

1. Receiver: Yamaha R-N303 ($C500 approx.)
2. Turntable: Audio-Technica LP120 ($C500 approx.)
3. Cartridge: Shure M97XE ($C125)

As for speakers, you should spend close to the balance of your budget, as these will have more effect on the overall performance of your system than any other component.

I suggest that you visit a BestBuy store and try to listen to some Klipsch bookshelf speakers. They have several models and produce a very pleasant sound but, as you know, its a matter of personal preference. They are very efficient and can easily produce a high output sound. Amazon.ca also sells those at competitive prices.

Another option which I've just seen on this site in the speaker reviews, and represents an interesting product.. It may be a little bit beyond your budget with the exchange, customs and shipping. It's the HSU Research CCB-8 Bookshelf speaker which would be a good to try. The company sells online and you could verify with them to see about the possibility of returning the speakers if you don't like them:

http://www.audioholics.com/bookshelf-speaker-reviews/ccb-8-bookshelf

Don't forget to keep us posted on your shopping experience and listening impressions.
 
YarZoR

YarZoR

Audiophyte
Thank you for the suggestions. I will research them in more detail tonight.

So the first guy said go vintage. Which I assume means go with a "new style" tube type receiver? Which advantages would that give me?

Verdinut suggested going with an receiver with built in phono. I noticed that receiver has Bluetooth, WiFi, both of which i don't need or want. also, the 24-bit/192kHz high res playback....that seems low to me. Doesn't it go as high as 350~? Higher end receivers even have built in DAC's no?

Let's take the cost of the turntable out of it. Im talking just sound. What's it gonna take to build a reputable stand alone vinyl listening system?
 
Verdinut

Verdinut

Audioholic Spartan
Thank you for the suggestions. I will research them in more detail tonight.

So the first guy said go vintage. Which I assume means go with a "new style" tube type receiver? Which advantages would that give me?

Verdinut suggested going with an receiver with built in phono. I noticed that receiver has Bluetooth, WiFi, both of which i don't need or want. also, the 24-bit/192kHz high res playback....that seems low to me. Doesn't it go as high as 350~? Higher end receivers even have built in DAC's no?

Let's take the cost of the turntable out of it. Im talking just sound. What's it gonna take to build a reputable stand alone vinyl listening system?
I suggested the Yamaha R-N303 since it is one of the decent receivers available at an affordable price. It comes with bells and whistles, but it's cheaper than the equivalent integrated amplifier. It has more features for the same price because Yamaha sells a lot more receivers than amps (economy of scale).

There is no advantage in trying to get a "new Style" tube receiver. That would take all your budget. You wouldn't get better sound anyway.

At present, the usual digital audio formats don't go beyond the 192kHz sampling rate. As far as I know, there's nothing commercially produced beyond that sampling rate and no consumer product which would handle it.

I wonder why you are now talking about DACs. Your original question was about a simple stereo system for playing LPs. LPs are analog audio products and no DAC is required to play them.
 
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TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Thank you for the suggestions. I will research them in more detail tonight.

So the first guy said go vintage. Which I assume means go with a "new style" tube type receiver? Which advantages would that give me?

Verdinut suggested going with an receiver with built in phono. I noticed that receiver has Bluetooth, WiFi, both of which i don't need or want. also, the 24-bit/192kHz high res playback....that seems low to me. Doesn't it go as high as 350~? Higher end receivers even have built in DAC's no?

Let's take the cost of the turntable out of it. Im talking just sound. What's it gonna take to build a reputable stand alone vinyl listening system?
Well you can build one with junk or the good stuff.

I agree you do not need a receiver and I think it would be a detriment.

What you do need to understand is the difference between digital and entirely mechanical analog systems.

The issue is that a budget CD player will sound close to or even as good as an expensive one.

This does not hold for turntables and cartridges. As you wisely select higher end well designed turntables and cartridges there is a chasm of difference in performance over budget offerings.

From what you are wanting cheaper budget offerings should not be considered.

For a good starter turntable and cartridge $600 to $700 is what you are looking at.

As far as electronics, the demand for good simple units that I think you are looking for have shrunk so cost has risen.

In the electronics end I would seriously look at good vintage equipment. One of the big problems with vinyl, is that some LPS are excellent but most are not and need some degree of taming, especially in the high frequency spectrum.

The best vintage equipment was designed to deal with this.

In this regard I strongly recommend Quad equipment made by the Acoustical Manufacturing Company.

These preamps have the ability to precisely match to a wide variety of cartridges and in the QUAD 44 the cartridge loading capacitance and the lead capacitance. With the small voltages produced by phono cartridges these details matter. In addition QUAD preamps provide excellent facilities for making high frequency distortion so prevalent on the inside grooves less objectionable.

So you need to select good very neutral speakers and avoid and bright or harsh speakers like the plague.

I have a nice Quad rig that I use for vinyl a lot in the winter.

Turntable is a vintage Thorens TD 125 Mk II, with SME series III pu arm and Shure xmr cartridge.

The preamp is a Quad 34 and the power amp a Quad 909. Speakers are my design and build.



In my main system I have three vintage turntables each with its own preamp.



Lastly you may have been told that analog turntables provide better fidelity than digital sources like CD. This is not true. In the pop world many digital productions are ruined at birth so to speak, with atrocious mastering. These dynamically compressed masters can not be cut to vinyl. This is how the LPs come to sound better than the digital versions quite often.

However with proper mastering that is the rule in the classical world, then the digital version is almost always significantly better than the LP version.
 
highfigh

highfigh

Seriously, I have no life.
Thank you for the suggestions. I will research them in more detail tonight.

So the first guy said go vintage. Which I assume means go with a "new style" tube type receiver? Which advantages would that give me?

Verdinut suggested going with an receiver with built in phono. I noticed that receiver has Bluetooth, WiFi, both of which i don't need or want. also, the 24-bit/192kHz high res playback....that seems low to me. Doesn't it go as high as 350~? Higher end receivers even have built in DAC's no?

Let's take the cost of the turntable out of it. Im talking just sound. What's it gonna take to build a reputable stand alone vinyl listening system?
It doesn't need to have tubes to be vintage.

Look for equipment that's available in Canada, without adding import duties- that won't add to the sound quality, so why pay for that, too?

I would start by looking on Kijiji, to see what's out there- I just looked a the listings in the Ontario area and several decent speakers are available. I also saw several Dual turntables and those are definitely worth buying- I prefer the ones with the wooden base to the silver plastic and if possible, get one that's semi-automatic, to avoid minor mechanical issues and sticky linkage causing tracking problems- think of this as trying to turn left as you walk and someone leans into you, in order to prevent you turning left. The needle won't appreciate this and you won't, either.

You should be able to build a very nice system for $2000, CDN, especially if you find some used equipment in very good condition.
 
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