This is an old thread I realize -- Amazon had some refurb Crown XLS 1502 amps for just under $300 all year, and go figure, as soon as my NAD C 272 finally died, they're only available full price at $400. But I guess it's a no-brainer, as Emotiva amps now cost three times what they did when I bought my last one 10 years ago ($1,000 for the XPS-2).