Their higher lines are good, but the lower lines tend to represent fairly average performance for the price category. Since there are plenty of options, they either need to improve their performance or lower their cost. To be honest, all of the ones discussed in this thread are direct to customer companies with different structures than a large company like Polk, so they can offer the customer something much different in terms of performance vs cost. Result = you win. So it isn't that they're hated, just that they don't offer the same value.