Sony HT-RT3 5.1 system.

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MonkFox1

Audiophyte
So I got this system at walmart yesterday. The Sub has an HDMI out that I hooked up to the ARC HDMI port on my TV (LG 55" ultra HD 4K smart tv).

I had the sound coming from the speakers fine, except for the two surround speakers. I chalked this up to the tv channels not outputting 5.1 sound.

So I hooked up my PS3 to one of the other HDMI ports on my tv and I again had sound coming out of the speakers fine, except the two surround sound speakers (gaming or movie'ing). The only two exceptions to this are when I put the system on CLEAR sound setting or put the system in FRONT surround mode.

I talked to a sony tech today via chat and they said that hooking up an optical cable from the PS3 to the Sub (it has an optical in) should solve the problem. I'll have to change my audio settings from HDMI to audio on the PS3 of course, but what do you guys think?

Also, the speaker wire to the surround speakers may not be quite long enough, like <= 5' maybe. Can you simply splice speaker wire? Not sure what gauge the wire is either.

Thanks,

Justin
 
j_garcia

j_garcia

Audioholic Jedi
Have you tried the other settings for audio out on HDMI? It may make a difference in what the unit is seeing. Try bitstream and PCM both and see if it makes a difference. Not to mention, not all broadcast is in 5.1 as you mentioned, but it should have been working from the PS3 if you were feeding it 5.1 material.

Yes, you can splice if you choose to do so. but wire is cheap, just get more wire. The stuff included in the box is usually pretty small like 18-20, so I'd say 14 AWG if you replace, which will likely be larger than what it came with.
 
M

MonkFox1

Audiophyte
Yes I changed the ps3 to bitstream and selected DD 5.1 ch from the manual list under audio settings. Also changed the out setting on the tv to auto instead of pcm.

The wire is hardwired to the speaker and has a proprietary connector. Will two splices be too much?

Thanks!
 
M

MonkFox1

Audiophyte
Oh, it is working now by the way. Forgot to mention that haha. Sucks that LG's youtube app doesn't put out 5.1 but oh well. Netflix and Vudu do. I also adjusted the M and dB of the surround speakers, sounds great! Still wondering about the two splice thing
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Oh, it is working now by the way. Forgot to mention that haha. Sucks that LG's youtube app doesn't put out 5.1 but oh well. Netflix and Vudu do. I also adjusted the M and dB of the surround speakers, sounds great! Still wondering about the two splice thing
It won't hurt to splice the wire. Just make sure you do not get the polarity mixed up. I would use auto barrel connectors. You can get them at the big box stores and auto parts stores. Just make sure you get the right size for the gauge of wire you have.

Enjoy that unit while it lasts. There are lots of poor reviews, with multiple problems. I found one guy who had seven units fail!

I advise doing you own due diligence, and if you don't like what you find return it while you can.

My opinion is that those units have JUNK plastered all over them.
 
M

MonkFox1

Audiophyte
Holy cow TL, my nose started to bleed from brain overload. I was thinking about getting the yamaha yht-4920ubl home theater box set. The guy at best buy kind of scared me out of it but i wasn't about to buy the 800.00 soundbar he was trying to talk up. I don't live in an apartment, I have a 3,600 sqft house and the room I'm trying to set up is 20x20.

What do you think of that Yamaha theater system? The best buy guy said that if one of the speakers were to go out, that the whole unit is "fried". I thought that was the point of getting an actual receiver?
Yet he was talking up a system that would actually be junk if one of the sound bar speakers went out? Confusing to say the least.

the yamaha has decent reviews on Amazon.

My budget is ~500 max. I'm not a super fancy audio guy, just wanted to hear the TV better with a surround sound effect.

Thanks.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Holy cow TL, my nose started to bleed from brain overload. I was thinking about getting the yamaha yht-4920ubl home theater box set. The guy at best buy kind of scared me out of it but i wasn't about to buy the 800.00 soundbar he was trying to talk up. I don't live in an apartment, I have a 3,600 sqft house and the room I'm trying to set up is 20x20.

What do you think of that Yamaha theater system? The best buy guy said that if one of the speakers were to go out, that the whole unit is "fried". I thought that was the point of getting an actual receiver?
Yet he was talking up a system that would actually be junk if one of the sound bar speakers went out? Confusing to say the least.

the yamaha has decent reviews on Amazon.

My budget is ~500 max. I'm not a super fancy audio guy, just wanted to hear the TV better with a surround sound effect.

Thanks.
Of the type of systems you are looking at, Yamaha I think would be at the top of the list, particularly their top end systems. Remember you tend to get what you pay for. The most expensive purchases are cheaper junk.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Of the type of systems you are looking at, Yamaha I think would be at the top of the list, particularly their top end systems. Remember you tend to get what you pay for. The most expensive purchases are cheaper junk.
Not 100% of the time more expensive=better, but it's very often the case.
I agree most htib are junk and as I grow older I try to think if a purchase will last me for a long time.
One exception I didn't thought through enough was OXO motorized toaster which unsurprisingly failed after a year of light usage. Luckily, OXO gives two years of warranty and I got free replacement. If it lasts another year - I'd be content. Next time I will do my due diligence a bit more carefully.

OP, do Ask TLSGuy, how old his Quad amps are? My point - I'm not rich enough to buy crap, throw it out and then buy good stuff. I rather be economical and buy good stuff right away.
If you don't have money right now to buy good stuff, no problem - buy only basics for now and expand it later.

2nd hand avr with minimum needed features is about $100-150 and a pair philharmonic aa monitors is another $250 (estimated with shipping)
So about $400 will get really great sounding 2.0 system, which will guaranteed some 1000x better than any HTIB. Add a dayton sub1200 for another $150 (or so) as budget allows later on.
 
M

MonkFox1

Audiophyte
So I'm going to box up the HT-RT3 unit when I get home, return it and head on over to Best Buy to pick up the Yamaha HTiB. It will give me a decent starter receiver that I can upgrade/replace speakers down the road. Also supports Dolby TruHD and DTS HD unlike the HT-RT3. The BT has better range as well. Too, the PS3 should be able to auto detect the audio out when connected to the receiver instead of the tv.

Thanks for the info!
 
M

MonkFox1

Audiophyte
Zieg, do you think the Yamaha RX-V379 is a decent starter receiver?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
Zieg, do you think the Yamaha RX-V379 is a decent starter receiver?
Oh dear! I seem to have started mission creep. If you are going to go a cut above a sound bar, which given the size of your room you are well advised to do, then you are correct to avoid HTIBS.
HTIBS of all flavors are bad news.

It is very hard to advise people on what they should get into. A big part of the problem is that the industry in many ways has progressively lost its way over the last 30 years, and it does not get better. Part of it is the misguided belief they are making things simpler and they are not.

The receiver is a good case in point. The function of a receiver is basically to be a switch to select inputs, digital audio conversion, processing, equalization and amplification to drive the speakers. Unfortunately there has been massive mission creep with a host of streaming options, and things like Musicast. Feature rich is what the industry calls it! The end result is that a lot of the budget is used up with licensing fees. Then not enough is left to build a decent product at the lower end of the market.

So the bottom line is that I advise members to buy at the mid price point of a range and up. Usually I steer people to Marantz, Denon and Yamaha. In your case you have a large room, so if you think you might actually want to progress to really good sound, you certainly need to consider buying a receiver with preouts, so you can add external amplification.

For your needs you are better off starting with higher quality bookshelf speakers rather then poor quality tower speakers. You will need a decent sub for that space and probably eventually two.

You are much better off starting to get the front stage good quality first and adding surround later. In fact if the front stage is really good, on most program the surround adds little. A lot of rooms are better off without surrounds. A really good front stage gives a wide deep sound field.

What is really required is good basic engineering with the core functions of units being top class. You really don't need streaming in receivers, disc players and TVs. Most of us end up with it in at least three units, when we don't need it. In my view they tend to be awkward and slow. Trouble is you can't steer clear of this nonsense.

Surfing the Internet is what computers do best. Chromecasting is brilliant, but has its limitations. When I stream it is usually computer based. Now with devices like the Intel NUC this is easy to do, with very small units indeed.

What all this duplication in units has done, is detract from core functions. This really amounts to jacking the price in pursuit of pointless versatility.

What I can say is this. Now that audio and video are joined at the hip, so to speak, then the case for good audio has never been greater. The audio is the equal half of good story telling, to say nothing of all the audio goodies now within easy reach. A good AV system in the home is an enormous pleasure, even if a luxury.

I have been at this for 60 years plus now. If there is one thing I have leaned it is to build a system patiently over time with good equipment. I have gear in regular use in this system that is over half a century old.

The next thing is that before ditching a good piece of gear for the latest feature, make sure it is really necessary. A case in point is 4K TVs. At a comfortable viewing distance for most rooms, it matters not one whit whether the screen is 2K or 4K. It would only matter if you had a big screen in a small bedroom or office.

Often times you can do an easy work around to extend the life of a piece of equipment. I bought my Marantz pre/pro for this studio in 2008. It has 4 HDMI inputs. Times change and now everything needs HDMI. So I added an HDMI switcher, so now I have 6 HDMI inputs. That's an upgrade at very low cost.

What I do know is that getting into the wrong gear is costly. So plan your strategy carefully, read and ask lots of questions.

You will do fine, as you seem prepared to listen to advice.
 
Pogre

Pogre

Audioholic Slumlord
So I'm going to box up the HT-RT3 unit when I get home, return it and head on over to Best Buy to pick up the Yamaha HTiB.
noooooo..... read TLS guy's post carefully. he's right about building a system over time if money constraints are an issue. I would avoid htib's like the plague. the speakers that come with those absolutely suck.
 
V

varad

Audiophyte
Oh, it is working now by the way. Forgot to mention that haha. Sucks that LG's youtube app doesn't put out 5.1 but oh well. Netflix and Vudu do. I also adjusted the M and dB of the surround speakers, sounds great! Still wondering about the two splice thing
do the rear surround speakers work on music mode? i guess they work only on clear audio setting.
 
V

varad

Audiophyte
It won't hurt to splice the wire. Just make sure you do not get the polarity mixed up. I would use auto barrel connectors. You can get them at the big box stores and auto parts stores. Just make sure you get the right size for the gauge of wire you have.

Enjoy that unit while it lasts. There are lots of poor reviews, with multiple problems. I found one guy who had seven units fail!

I advise doing you own due diligence, and if you don't like what you find return it while you can.

My opinion is that those units have JUNK plastered all over them.
can you tell me why the ht rt3 is so bad ?
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
can you tell me why the ht rt3 is so bad ?
It's just JUNK. Look at all the bad customer reviews. Buying one of those is for those with money to burn.

There is an awful lot of electronic junk out there. So much so that Amazon has stopped accepting return of electronic items. You now have to deal with the manufacturer, who give the customer zero support.

Buy good gear and never junk.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
do the rear surround speakers work on music mode? i guess they work only on clear audio setting.
I would say yes.

can you tell me why the ht rt3 is so bad ?
IMO these things are too full of compromise. First of all, on paper alone the specs just aren't good from a performance standpoint. Secondly, in reality, the actual performance is commonly less than stated by the specs, and people who generally purchase these don't realize what it takes to achieve good convincing sound. Then they become disheartened and tell there friends "I had a home theater once, it was lame" lol. The thing about the Sony is, its front end has a soundbar. That's a huge compromise due to many things, but largely are the tiny drivers(speakers) inside the cabinet, and the fact that they're guaranteed to be cheap. Also, putting 3 channels worth of speakers in one cabinet just doesn't work. And the tiny "subwoofer" will sound more like someone blowing across the top of a whiskey jug than a sub. HTIB's can be good but this isn't one. Plan on $750 at least for a "decent"one. At least some of those come with an avr that you can put better speakers on in the future.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Audioholic Jedi
I would say yes.


IMO these things are too full of compromise. First of all, on paper alone the specs just aren't good from a performance standpoint. Secondly, in reality, the actual performance is commonly less than stated by the specs, and people who generally purchase these don't realize what it takes to achieve good convincing sound. Then they become disheartened and tell there friends "I had a home theater once, it was lame" lol. The thing about the Sony is, its front end has a soundbar. That's a huge compromise due to many things, but largely are the tiny drivers(speakers) inside the cabinet, and the fact that they're guaranteed to be cheap. Also, putting 3 channels worth of speakers in one cabinet just doesn't work. And the tiny "subwoofer" will sound more like someone blowing across the top of a whiskey jug than a sub. HTIB's can be good but this isn't one. Plan on $750 at least for a "decent"one. At least some of those come with an avr that you can put better speakers on in the future.
Well, that is the long version, but it is right on target.
 

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