Will my "Denon AVR-X1100W" Be enough????

[Alex Claggion]

Hello folks, I first spoke with Gene DellaSala back in MAY 2015 through email concerning a center channel I was about to purchase. At the end of the convo Gene asked that I share my system once I finished building it. Unfortunately, I'm not made of money so it took me awhile to get my audio system where it currently is today! Without the Audioholic's I would be lost in the deep dark rabbit whole of audio equipment lol. I'm shooting for a decent 6.1 home theater system and right now I have as follows:

SVS Satellites
SVS PC-2000
SVS Prime Towers
Martin Logan Motion 8
Denon AVR-X1100W- (This is my problem or my question I should say lol)

So my actual speakers I'm fine with, however, its my receiver I feel maybe my real issue here. Believe it or not all my equipment listed is still boxed minus the PC-2000 lol. So I haven't run my listed system yet on the Denon AVR-W1100X and after doing some random research. I think I have found that my Denon my not be able to push all what I have listed above? Is this truly the case for my 5.1 system I have, and if so is there a Denon receiver out under $800 that could push this system properly. My fear is that I have speakers that will never reach their true potential with this particular receiver. Hopefully, I can easily sale my Denon X1100W and upgrade if necessary. In short, I guess I should've seen the red flag when my most important piece cost the least amount of the entire 6.1 system. CAN I GET SOME HELP/SUGGESTIONS CONCERNING THIS MATTER PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

SIDE NOTE: I posted this already but in the wrong forum I feel. No responses but one to kindly guide me to the right place to post my question thanks again LovintheHD!! Also, this system will be mainly used for movies 98% of the time. Setup will be in the living room and listening distance is roughly 23ft, and the house is on a crawlspace. The living room size is around 700sqft with regular ceiling height, and it is an open concept design. Which opens up into the kitchen with same ceiling height. I do know that the SVS Primes need to sit about 2 or 3 feet off the wall and the speaker setup is traditional L C R. I hope this helps with the responses! SW
couch
LR RR
Thanks in advance!

 

[lovinthehd]

As I mentioned in the other thread it is still about your listening levels for the most part. Huge distance at 23 ft if you want reference levels for many speakers and amps. Try using this spl calculator to start. Movies are generally recorded to the general "reference" level of 85dB average, with allowance for 20dB peaks (and that is a peak calculator). This is very loud and most people probably listen at -20 to -10 dB from reference.

One thing to keep in mind is that it takes a doubling of amp power to gain 3dB spl so amp needs can really ramp up with very loud listening over long distances....and may exceed your speakers' realistic capabilities as well. Also keep in mind that speakers are more dependent on distance between you and speaker, subs "see" the whole space open to them ....

 

[rojo]

Hello folks, I first spoke with Gene DellaSala back in MAY 2015 through email concerning a center channel I was about to purchase. At the end of the convo Gene asked that I share my system once I finished building it. Unfortunately, I'm not made of money so it took me awhile to get my audio system where it currently is today! Without the Audioholic's I would be lost in the deep dark rabbit whole of audio equipment lol. I'm shooting for a decent 6.1 home theater system and right now I have as follows:

SVS Satellites
SVS PC-2000
SVS Prime Towers
Martin Logan Motion 8
Denon AVR-X1100W- (This is my problem or my question I should say lol)

So my actual speakers I'm fine with, however, its my receiver I feel maybe my real issue here. Believe it or not all my equipment listed is still boxed minus the PC-2000 lol. So I haven't run my listed system yet on the Denon AVR-W1100X and after doing some random research. I think I have found that my Denon my not be able to push all what I have listed above? Is this truly the case for my 5.1 system I have, and if so is there a Denon receiver out under $800 that could push this system properly. My fear is that I have speakers that will never reach their true potential with this particular receiver. Hopefully, I can easily sale my Denon X1100W and upgrade if necessary. In short, I guess I should've seen the red flag when my most important piece cost the least amount of the entire 6.1 system. CAN I GET SOME HELP/SUGGESTIONS CONCERNING THIS MATTER PLEASE AND THANK YOU.

SIDE NOTE: I posted this already but in the wrong forum I feel. No responses but one to kindly guide me to the right place to post my question thanks again LovintheHD!! Also, this system will be mainly used for movies 98% of the time. Setup will be in the living room and listening distance is roughly 23ft, and the house is on a crawlspace. The living room size is around 700sqft with regular ceiling height, and it is an open concept design. Which opens up into the kitchen with same ceiling height. I do know that the SVS Primes need to sit about 2 or 3 feet off the wall and the speaker setup is traditional L C R. I hope this helps with the responses! SW
couch
LR RR
Thanks in advance!

Don't concede defeat before you've even fought the battle. Your receiver is 80W/channel at acceptable distortion thresholds. Your speakers have 87dB / 2.83v / meter sensitivity. At 80 watts at your seating distance, the SPL of your towers will reach about 92dB according to @lovinthehd's linked calculator. That's the SPL of a busy freeway, or about 20dB louder than a noisy restaurant. Listening at that level for 8 hours could cause hearing damage according to this chart.

It doesn't take a lot of power to drive speakers of typical sensitivity to annoying levels. I think your system volume will be limited more by your subwoofer than by your AVR, and that's a pretty decent subwoofer. And if your AVR were rated at 120 watts instead of 80, you might squeeze out another couple of dB -- a difference that would be all but inaudible.

I say keep your current AVR. Don't get too hung up on electronics. You're sorely mistaken in your belief that your AVR is the most important component in the system. It's the speakers that make the sound, and good sound comes from good speakers, not expensive electronics or boutique cables.

 

[Alex Claggion]

Roger, I remember about the doubling of amp power from my car audio days lol! The loudest I've ever pushed my current JBL Stadiums Series 6.1 on a AVR-587 was -10db listening to music. Movies are way to loud at that point, I broke my wife's wine glass one night watching The Matrix. I'm the only one that stuck it out but boy was it awesome! I'm going to check out this spl calculator and do some more research after my findings. I'll be back!!

 

[Alex Claggion]

Don't concede defeat before you've even fought the battle. Your receiver is 80W/channel at acceptable distortion thresholds. Your speakers have 87dB / 2.83v / meter sensitivity. At 80 watts at your seating distance, the SPL of your towers will reach about 92dB according to @lovinthehd's linked calculator. That's the SPL of a busy freeway, or about 20dB louder than a noisy restaurant. Listening at that level for 8 hours could cause hearing damage according to this chart.

It doesn't take a lot of power to drive speakers of typical sensitivity to annoying levels. I think your system volume will be limited more by your subwoofer than by your AVR, and that's a pretty decent subwoofer. And if your AVR were rated at 120 watts instead of 80, you might squeeze out another couple of dB -- a difference that would be all but inaudible.

I say keep your current AVR. Don't get too hung up on electronics. You're sorely mistaken in your belief that your AVR is the most important component in the system. It's the speakers that make the sound, and good sound comes from good speakers, not expensive electronics or boutique cables.

Man thank you very much you already did what I was about to do. Thanks for saving me the money I thought the 120watts would be what I needed. Going off Gene's videos and research I thought the X1100W was enough for what I ended up going with. I only chose SVS Primes over the CM8 S2 bc they were cheaper then CM8's. Which performance wise were only a tad better with an extra $700 price tag. As far as sub's go I reviewed better then SVS easily, but again the price tag was so high that to me it really wasn't worth it? My ROI is already nothing so I figured $3500 for entry level 6.1 system wasn't a bad cap. I'm going to stick with what you just said, " Don't concede defeat before you've even fought the battle." I will be setting this 6.1 up in the near future with an extra powered sub for the Dual bass and see what happens. I really appreciate the feedback on this matter from you guys. I hope I haven't pissed anyone off if I did sorry lol.

 

[lovinthehd]

I think the best thing to do next is to set it all up and enjoy a movie or some music with it.