No Subwoofer action in Stereo setting ? any ideas?

[ThunderClap]

I'm testing a Pioneer Elite and a Sony Dn-1070 and in stereo mode ONLY the FRONTS play??

I have the all speakers set to small and x-over at 80hz

The SONY manual even says i Stereo it bypasses the Woofer? Why? is this a lock like no way to fix?

 

[lovinthehd]

If the avr manual says it bypasses the sub for stereo mode doubt there's a way to modify stereo mode. Not all avrs use the sub in stereo mode....don't think my old Sony does either. My Denons do, though. My Onkyo does. Pretty sure my Pioneer did. Which Elite?

ps just checked my Sony manual, 2ch stereo doesn't use the sub, but setting it to AFD mode would....

 

[William Lemmerhirt]

The Sony manual seems to say to use direct for 2.1. 2ch stereo uses only the front L/R. This is backwards from most avr companies and one more reason not to buy a Sony avr.
Edit: page 58.

 

[ThunderClap]

Afd mode ?


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[ThunderClap]

Okay got it to work !

No , the Sony has brilliant sound - 99% of people would love it but the true audiophile no .


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[William Lemmerhirt]

Okay got it to work !




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Why did you do?

 

[lovinthehd]

Afd mode ?


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Don't know if newer Sony units have that feature, mine is 10 years old or so, never really knew what it stood for but here's a description I found. Was yours the direct mode William directed you to? I think all the major avr brands sound fine, the differences are mostly in their choice of dsp/room eq.

 

[ThunderClap]

Why did you do?

Direct mode


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[William Lemmerhirt]

Don't know if newer Sony units have that feature, mine is 10 years old or so, never really knew what it stood for but here's a description I found. Was yours the direct mode William directed you to? I think all the major avr brands sound fine, the differences are mostly in their choice of dsp/room eq.

Wow, that's an interesting feature. Guess I've never read about that one.

 

[ThunderClap]

Don't know if newer Sony units have that feature, mine is 10 years old or so, never really knew what it stood for but here's a description I found. Was yours the direct mode William directed you to? I think all the major avr brands sound fine, the differences are mostly in their choice of dsp/room eq.

Yes and yes the room correction is Sony proprietary it isn't Audessy level but seems to have done a decent job.

Not sure I'm keeping it - for the same cost I can get a marantz from accessories for less.

The dn-1080 is coming out in may as well.

I will say the Sony is Loud and clear dialogue- better than the pioneer and better than the Yamaha I've had.

Sony has their own sound , hard to describe - imo it's meant for movies , surround environments- it's an airy drifting sound , Yamaha a thick full musical sound.

The Pioneer is an sc-91 , pre onkyo , it'd thundering 130 wpc it's clear as day , it's ahead of it's time , it presents faux ceiling sound , the app is brilliant- but the dialogue is up &'down, the airplay is off and on and no dts-x.
However it is a great sounding avr for music & gaming.

I like the marantz 5011 from a4less but this Sony is just flat out fun.


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[lovinthehd]

To compare an avr's audio with another you need to put them on a level playing field, i.e. without any dsp involved as they will sound different with different processing; pure direct is really the only way to compare (but make sure you still have levels/delays set for your listening position); level matching and quick switching would be nice but definitely a pain in the ass to do at home.

Room correction for Sony is called DCAC and my Sony doesn't have it but the reports generally are ranking it towards the bottom of the avr room eq features. I do have Audyssey on two Denons and an Onkyo and like it a lot, especially the Denon with XT32. I had a Pioneer with Advanced MCACC and that did a good job (and had some nice multiple user tweaks/choices of curves to apply), but prefer Audyssey.

It's nice for an avr to have a lot of sound shaping possibilities....sometimes you may want nothing, sometimes you want something different...

The 130w/ch doesn't make but a 1 dB difference over a unit with 100 w/ch, generally avrs are within a small window in this regard and makes little difference.

 

[ThunderClap]

Yes I see what you mean about the 130 the only thing I can say is the Pioneer pushes the 7 speakers a little more forceful than the 90w Yamaha- a big bigger sound - the pioneer is clear at high levels - you can really pump it but it goes back , it's a 2015 and lacks everything I want but I could live with it if I had too.

The Sony will go back too , I like it a lot but I know it's not marantz and for the same cash I can get the 5011 which has a gaming sound mode too that shockingly the Sony doesn't , the DN 1080 might not sure.

Sony make great products, phones , tvs, cameras , film production, sound devices etc but Denon - Marantz - Yamaha do sound and just sound so I think the safest bet is a true sound company.
Wish I had a need for another avr I'd keep the Sony just for that theater boom.


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[Pogre]

Yes I see what you mean about the 130 the only thing I can say is the Pioneer pushes the 7 speakers a little more forceful than the 90w Yamaha- a big bigger sound - the pioneer is clear at high levels - you can really pump it but it goes back , it's a 2015 and lacks everything I want but I could live with it if I had too.

The Sony will go back too , I like it a lot but I know it's not marantz and for the same cash I can get the 5011 which has a gaming sound mode too that shockingly the Sony doesn't , the DN 1080 might not sure.

Sony make great products, phones , tvs, cameras , film production, sound devices etc but Denon - Marantz - Yamaha do sound and just sound so I think the safest bet is a true sound company.
Wish I had a need for another avr I'd keep the Sony just for that theater boom.


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A lot of that has to do with the fact that they all use different software for room correction. Many have dynamic eq and dynamic volume controls. This is what HD is talking about when he says pure direct. Unless you turn all of that stuff off, you don't get a true read on how the amplifiers "sound". Ideally they should all sound the same and generally do. Unless something is wrong with one of them...

*Edit: Yamaha makes very good avr's. Denon and Marantz also.

 

[M Code]

Room EQ software for the Sony called DCAC is the generic royalty-free software from TI..

Just my $0.02...

 

[ThunderClap]

Room EQ software for the Sony called DCAC is the generic royalty-free software from TI..

Just my $0.02...

So its bad? I saw one HT review site say they liked it more than Audessy

 

[lovinthehd]

So its bad? I saw one HT review site say they liked it more than Audessy

Never tried myself but if you like what it does then that's really all that matters....

 

[ThunderClap]

The Sony sounds bigger - more theater like than the marantz 5010 -- why is this ? Musically the marantz is cleaner but the Sony is good real good but surround sound wise - theater wise the Sony is impressive.


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[lovinthehd]

The Sony sounds bigger - more theater like than the marantz 5010 -- why is this ? Musically the marantz is cleaner but the Sony is good real good but surround sound wise - theater wise the Sony is impressive.


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Hard to know what you mean by your description.

 

[sterling shoote]

My 17 year old Sony TA-E9000ES 5.1 pre/pro allows me to operate in stereo with or without sub. And, since my sub is a passive model, I usually leave the stereo + sub setting on, and either turn on the sub's amp for bass, or leave it off when playing music which does not contain any bass. My mains are set to crossover to sub at 60Hz. I can't say that they sound better when set to lower

 

[ThunderClap]

I have just returned the Sony - 90% of people would like it but I have a marantz to compare it to & the Pioneer- it simply doesn't have the power musically.
It has this unique sound, almost fake ? Can't explain it but it's like it's making my speakers sound the way it wants and not how B&W sound.
If I had the need I'd keep it for its cinema sound - really pleasing.
However it isn't cheap 5-600 And the dn-1080 is gonna be 600 offering a pretty cool phantom back feature.

Denon 3200w just bought $399 clearance - reviews are great.
We shall see - love the price point here.


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