General help with pc audio quality

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SAK

Enthusiast
Hi, I'm new.

I am interested in achieving a better sound for my music with the basic hardware components I have, and I'm posting to a couple forums in an attempt to figure out how to do this.

I have a used panasonic toughbook. I don't know much about what's inside it but I know listening to mp3s through it sounds a lot worse than I remember when I had a "creative zen" mp3 player.

I now have a cheap mp3 player, which I'm not using because it sounds so bad.

I am plugging in my headphones (low quality) into my computer, which only has standard oem soundcards. The computer is probably about 5 years old at this point.

I am looking into troubleshooting regarding the files I have, but the sound seems bad independently of that. I do not know how much the sound would improve with better headphones, but probably not very much.

What can I do otherwise to improve the sound quality on my computer? Are there any open source or "free" codecs you would recommend, for instance? I've heard that is important.

Other notes: I have VLC media player, foobar2000 and windows media player. Foobar2000 does sound more clear to me. I don't know why exactly this is, but I am interested. It's just a lot to learn at once when there's strain on the eyes from reading on my older computer.

Also, do you think an equalizer would help? I'm more than willing to try it. I've downloaded equalizerapo.
 
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BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
Makes jedi mind trick: you don't need eq.
What you need is decent headphones and good quality music. (try cd or flac).
The issue might be with your laptop audio system, but I'd start by doing first things.

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slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
Hi, I'm new.

I am interested in achieving a better sound for my music with the basic hardware components I have, and I'm posting to a couple forums in an attempt to figure out how to do this.

I have a used panasonic toughbook. I don't know much about what's inside it but I know listening to mp3s through it sounds a lot worse than I remember when I had a "creative zen" mp3 player.

I now have a cheap mp3 player, which I'm not using because it sounds so bad.

I am plugging in my headphones (low quality) into my computer, which only has standard oem soundcards. The computer is probably about 5 years old at this point.

I am looking into troubleshooting regarding the files I have, but the sound seems bad independently of that. I do not know how much the sound would improve with better headphones, but probably not very much.

What can I do otherwise to improve the sound quality on my computer? Are there any open source or "free" codecs you would recommend, for instance? I've heard that is important.

Other notes: I have VLC media player, foobar2000 and windows media player. Foobar2000 does sound more clear to me. I don't know why exactly this is, but I am interested. It's just a lot to learn at once when there's strain on the eyes from reading on my older computer.

Also, do you think an equalizer would help? I'm more than willing to try it. I've downloaded equalizerapo.
Well, I hate to break it to you, but you are NOT likely to get better audio with software. You are going to need some hardware to do this. Laptop analog audio outputs are typically pretty low quality.

However--You do mention MP3 files. That is likely a large part of your problem too. Do you know the quality of your MP3s?

Step 1: Does your laptop have a CD drive? If it does, then you need to play a CD off the CD drive and see if the audio is much improved. If the audio suddenly sounds great, then you likely have poor quality MP3s as the root of your problem.

If the CD still sounds bad, then we need to keep going to find the issue. This will likely mean that you need some hardware (i.e. a USB audio interface or a DAC). The idea here would be to pass the audio out of the laptop in the digital domain before doing the D/A conversion.

What headphones are you using?
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
If laptop is lacking cd drive, I'd suggest looking online for high quality audio demo files or public domain ones

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S

SAK

Enthusiast
Makes jedi mind trick: you don't need eq.
What you need is decent headphones and good quality music. (try cd or flac).
The issue might be with your laptop audio system, but I'd start by doing first things.

Sent from my VS986 using Tapatalk
That seems like a solid troubleshooting method.
 
S

SAK

Enthusiast
Well, I hate to break it to you, but you are NOT likely to get better audio with software. You are going to need some hardware to do this. Laptop analog audio outputs are typically pretty low quality.

However--You do mention MP3 files. That is likely a large part of your problem too. Do you know the quality of your MP3s?

Step 1: Does your laptop have a CD drive? If it does, then you need to play a CD off the CD drive and see if the audio is much improved. If the audio suddenly sounds great, then you likely have poor quality MP3s as the root of your problem.

If the CD still sounds bad, then we need to keep going to find the issue. This will likely mean that you need some hardware (i.e. a USB audio interface or a DAC). The idea here would be to pass the audio out of the laptop in the digital domain before doing the D/A conversion.

What headphones are you using?
Yes I have mentioned mp3s, but regardless of the file types, the files themselves sound worse when listening to them through the the "laptop analog audio outputs," as you mentioned-- rather than what there is on an mp3 player-- I guess their "mp3 player analog outputs" which are maybe designed more with music in mind? Seperately, I know there are different internal processes that relate to the final result of what you hear but I don't know enough about these processes to know what errors can happen or what the likley culprits might be for a reduction in sound quality.

Thanks for your patience in responding to the question, and thank you for mentioning the "laptop analog audio otputs" are typically pretty low quality, which I did not know, that is an area now open to me for further troubleshooting, "workarounds," that would be worth looking into when I can afford additional equipment.

You have actually mentioned now I see two things I could try to override or "bypass" the built in outputs that you say are usually low quality, and that I may as a result be hearing. I hope to become informed about technology and audio quality.

Thanks also for the troubleshooting recommendation. I do have a CD drive, but I lost every one of my CDs so I can't put a CD in my computer. It might be a good idea to invest in a familiar CD, simply to begin troubleshooting the system.

I don't know how one would pass the audio out of a laptop still in digital form as you said, but I am going to assume that is taken care of by the DAC interface and won't require removing computer parts as I have heard people do with their iphones. I had never heard of a USB audio interface before, so thanks for mentioning these things.
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
Your computer may be able to output digital files via usb, other ways are HDMI or optical ports. The headphone output has used your computer's internal DAC and amplification, the idea is to bypass those and allow external devices like a receiver or dedicated DAC (digital to analog converter)/headphone amp to do the processing. Your mp3s are 128kbps? 256? 320?
 
S

SAK

Enthusiast
Bucknekked, please don't make assumptions about what I can or can't spend, even 2.99 is significant on my budget. You also don't know what resources I can and can't access or where I am, or what my transportation is, or even if I have transportation (or even shoes for that matter). So please leave sarcasm out of your responses, I would appreciate it. You don't have information about how much CDs are near where I live, also it doesn't make a lot of sense for me to use a CD I don't already remember, since I have different equipment now.

No, I am not using earbuds. I agree with the known good source and going from there.

Go to a used CD/Music store. At my local store used CDs are $2.99. Go ahead, invest $$2.99.

Play it it right there in the store and it should tell you a lot. If a CD still sounds bad: you need new hardware or at least real headphones. I know some asked about your headphones. Tell me you arent using ear buds?

Start with a known good source and go from there.
 
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S

SAK

Enthusiast
Your computer may be able to output digital files via usb, other ways are HDMI or optical ports. The headphone output has used your computer's internal DAC and amplification, the idea is to bypass those and allow external devices like a receiver or dedicated DAC (digital to analog converter)/headphone amp to do the processing. Your mp3s are 128kbps? 256? 320?
320 kbps and flac files, thanks. You say the computer may be able to output digital files, I know it definitely does through USB (but I was wondering if something could have also gone wrong with that process, because plugging my headphones into my computer works a lot better than into the other player). I heard that the transfer is bit perfect and a sound quality problem is more likely to happen with some other mechanism. I don't know what ports or devices my computer is compatible with other than an mp3 player over USB and headphones. I am looking to use headphones with whatever device I may decide to get whenever I can get it, but in the meantime I am trying to focus on software and freeware to improve sound quality on my computer, and maybe some headphones because the consensus has been that is the most important thing. I don't know how to close this thread but someone has suggested some software, my question might be as answered as it can be.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
"but in the meantime I am trying to focus on software and freeware to improve sound quality on my computer..."
No, nothing will fix it in software (as long as your source files are of good quality, especially flac files)
Try foobar2000, but that's about as far as I'd go. Messing with EQ is pointless exercise.
As for headphones: I think these are great value:
https://www.amazon.com/Koss-PortaPro-Headphones-with-Case/dp/B00001P4ZH/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491963084&sr=1-6&keywords=koss+headphones

at $55 these:
https://www.amazon.com/AKG-240-Semi-Open-Studio-Headphones/dp/B0001ARCFA/ref=pd_lpo_267_lp_t_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TN9DDQYM5BQJG9XV6X7P

Going up the price range at $75-80 I'd consider these (if you don't mind lack of portability)
https://www.amazon.com/Koss-Pro-4AA-Studio-Quality-Headphones/dp/B00004Z7G9/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491963084&sr=1-13&keywords=koss+headphones

or these:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sennheiser-audiophile-over-the-ear-headphones-titan/1700513.p?skuId=1700513

I own and love the Sens HD 558's. I also own AKG's bigger brother K712pro, but 240 shares similar design philosophy.


If you have good quality source and ether of these headphones (especially more expensive ones) and music still doesn't sound good - now we can deduce that the issue (like mentioned above) is with laptop internal audio system. No need to open it or replace any parts. Most likely external USB should be able to resolve this. This one is the cheapest I'd consider (if you don't mind waiting tell end of MAY or even early june):
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UM2usb
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer/U-Phoria-UM2.gc

Available on amazon now, but overpriced. You could set price alert here:
https://thetracktor.com//detail/B00EK1OTZC/us/
and wait till it's $30 on amazon (likely it will be in june)
 
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lovinthehd

lovinthehd

Audioholic Jedi
320 kbps and flac files, thanks. You say the computer may be able to output digital files, I know it definitely does through USB (but I was wondering if something could have also gone wrong with that process, because plugging my headphones into my computer works a lot better than into the other player). I heard that the transfer is bit perfect and a sound quality problem is more likely to happen with some other mechanism. I don't know what ports or devices my computer is compatible with other than an mp3 player over USB and headphones. I am looking to use headphones with whatever device I may decide to get whenever I can get it, but in the meantime I am trying to focus on software and freeware to improve sound quality on my computer, and maybe some headphones because the consensus has been that is the most important thing. I don't know how to close this thread but someone has suggested some software, my question might be as answered as it can be.
I started to put it another way, so the "might be able" should have been more along the lines of can do usb, and some computers also have these other connection possibilities for digital output. I often just stream wirelessly from my computer to my receivers or other wi-fi devices, no particular quality issues.

I wouldn't pursue the software angle much, think you just need to try exporting it to a different dac/amp for your headphones at this point with 320kbps and FLAC files being used. Got any friends with some gear you can test your files further on? Might load some of your files onto a thumb drive for portability and go to a store and do some testing too.
 
S

SAK

Enthusiast
No, nothing will fix it in software (as long as your source files are of good quality, especially flac files)
Try foobar2000, but that's about as far as I'd go. Messing with EQ is pointless exercise.
As for headphones: I think these are great value:
https://www.amazon.com/Koss-PortaPro-Headphones-with-Case/dp/B00001P4ZH/ref=sr_1_6?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491963084&sr=1-6&keywords=koss+headphones

at $55 these:
https://www.amazon.com/AKG-240-Semi-Open-Studio-Headphones/dp/B0001ARCFA/ref=pd_lpo_267_lp_t_4?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TN9DDQYM5BQJG9XV6X7P

Going up the price range at $75-80 I'd consider these (if you don't mind lack of portability)
https://www.amazon.com/Koss-Pro-4AA-Studio-Quality-Headphones/dp/B00004Z7G9/ref=sr_1_13?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1491963084&sr=1-13&keywords=koss+headphones

or these:
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/sennheiser-audiophile-over-the-ear-headphones-titan/1700513.p?skuId=1700513

I own and love the Sens HD 558's. I also own AKG's bigger brother K712pro, but 240 shares similar design philosophy.


If you have good quality source and ether of these headphones (especially more expensive ones) and music still doesn't sound good - now we can deduce that the issue (like mentioned above) is with laptop internal audio system. No need to open it or replace any parts. Most likely external USB should be able to resolve this. This one is the cheapest I'd consider (if you don't mind waiting tell end of MAY or even early june):
https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/UM2usb
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Behringer/U-Phoria-UM2.gc

Available on amazon now, but overpriced. You could set price alert here:
https://thetracktor.com//detail/B00EK1OTZC/us/
and wait till it's $30 on amazon (likely it will be in june)
Thanks
 
M

MrBoat

Audioholic Ninja
I use an external amplifier. Even a cheap set of 2.1 computer speakers like Logitech with a subwoofer that has it's own built in amp along with a jack for headphones on the volume control instead of the headphone jack on the pc itself. I have a Dell pc that's 11 years old and I get great audio out of it with the stock soundcard.
 
S

SAK

Enthusiast
I started to put it another way, so the "might be able" should have been more along the lines of can do usb, and some computers also have these other connection possibilities for digital output. I often just stream wirelessly from my computer to my receivers or other wi-fi devices, no particular quality issues.

I wouldn't pursue the software angle much, think you just need to try exporting it to a different dac/amp for your headphones at this point with 320kbps and FLAC files being used. Got any friends with some gear you can test your files further on? Might load some of your files onto a thumb drive for portability and go to a store and do some testing too.
I will pursue everything I can when I am able to. I suspect you are right about the DAC, I've had that suggested elsewhere as well, or a different "audio interface" as the person called it. He said the computer digital to analogue outputs were usually very low quality. I don't know about how DAC is priced but I will look into it as well. If it's a lot cheaper than an mp3 player it may be well worth it. I will explore different audio files to see how much of the problem is my music files. Good idea about the thumb drive. No friends with gear (yet) lol.
 
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BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
I have a Dell pc that's 11 years old and I get great audio out of it with the stock soundcard.
This will vary greatly. YMMV. I've seen many issues with dell/hp stock computers with audio.
Only brand which consistently good about it (AFAIK) is apple
 
S

SAK

Enthusiast
I use an external amplifier. Even a cheap set of 2.1 computer speakers like Logitech with a subwoofer that has it's own built in amp along with a jack for headphones on the volume control instead of the headphone jack on the pc itself. I have a Dell pc that's 11 years old and I get great audio out of it with the stock soundcard.
That's worth thinking about definitely. I have a cop computer. Not really mainstream like Dell. Maybe it was not designed with sound in mind at all.
 
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MrBoat

Audioholic Ninja
That's worth thinking about definitely. I have a cop computer.
This is not audiophile quality but it's worth what I paid for it. My old HK soundsticks crapped out so I bought this so I could watch Netflix or other youtube stuff, games etc and they work decently. They go on sale periodically. But trying to headphone or speaker out directly from the pc is abysmal at best.

I own this set. Something like this would be minimum IMO and for point blank listenng, although, it does go kind of loud before it sounds too crappy.
ttps://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/z533-multimedia-speaker-system?crid=47
 

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