Yamaha RX-A2060 Initial Impressions

Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
After having a few days to get acquainted with the new heart of my HT system, I can honestly say I'm not sorry I took the plunge and upgraded to this AVR. This thing is a beast; combining brute force power with elegance and more features than I will likely ever actually use. At this point I have done some initial listening tests on a variety of music, streaming content, cable TV and of course blu-ray/4k as this is the real reason I even have a HT system in the first place.

Straight out of the box and before even running any firmware updates or YPAO, I noticed that the distortion issue I had been experiencing before was gone. This immediately made me happy, so, taking my usual approach of just diving in to the setup menu and poking around before even opening the user manual, I did a quick YPAO calibration and then watched some content.

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I immediately noticed a much more expansive and spatial soundstage, though I immediately identified a quirk with YPAO regarding my sub. It had set its level at -10 and flashed up a warning message, but I ignored it and saved the results; just dialing up the sub manually from the back (again very rudimentary run through here, wasn't trying to dial in exact at this point).

Now, a few days later I have had more time to tinker with it, actually read the manual (some sections multiple times) and really familiarize myself with the device. And have run YPAO in both single point and multi-point measurement patterns. I've renamed all my inputs per my various sources, set up my Zone 2 outside on the patio, updated the firmware, etc. I have to say that I am very pleased with this AVR - it is giving me what I needed to get the job done for sure.

YPAO I'm finding, is a bit difficult to pin down and for whatever reason both the Marantz and the Yamaha really jacked up the high frequency ranges in PEQ after running calibrations; this has led to harsh, shrill sounds and overly sibilant dialogue; could be a room issue, could be a speaker issue. But fortunately, unlike the Marantz, I can actually go in and copy YPAO curves to a manual setting and tweak to taste from there, for each individual speaker at that - HUGE plus to be able to do that.

I'm a photographer, and I shoot in manual mode only knowing that in AUTO the camera may choose the settings IT feels are the best for given conditions but they may not be right for the situation or the style you're going for. Same kind of thing here. I feel that it got it very close but it was still off for my tastes, so I copied the "Natural" curve (cause that's the one that sounded best to me) over to manual and toned down both the 4khz band with a relatively narrow Q, and the band at around 15khz with a larger Q. This seemed to really tame the high frequency sounds to a level that didn't hurt my ears.

Secondly, after doing some manual PEQ adjusting, I checked SPL levels against what YPAO had set. I sat in the MLP with a RS SPL meter and noted that YPAO had run up the whole left side of my system (LF main and Left Surround) about 3db higher than the right. So I brought ALL the levels down to where they were at least at 0db or lower and matched everything up per the SPL meter reading at the MLP, leaving the sub level maybe about 4-5db hotter than the rest. Regarding the sub, the instructions have you set its dial at the 12:00 position (halfway) then run YPAO. But in doing so, YPAO sensed the sub was way too loud and sunk its trim level to its lowest level, which is why it got set to -10db on the initial run. So by turning the sub's gain knob back to about the 10:00 position it allowed YPAO to actually set it more precisely - still on the low end, but I bumped up the trim levels post-YPAO anyway. The Marantz did this too, had to start my calibration with the sub's gain knob at the nearly 8:00 position (less than 1/4).

After all that, I noticed that there were still some weird issues with the sound from my center channel speaker. So I figured that something was happening there acoustically - I know it to be a good sounding speaker and now two AVR's later, we can rule that out as being the culprit. So I sat back, did some thinking, and then went up to my attic where I found a piece of semi-rigid foam packing material that had just about the same dimensions as the base pedestal for my center channel speaker and spray painted the sides black so it wouldn't just be a big white ungainly thing sitting under my speaker. I had tried moving the center back and forth on the credenza to not much avail, so figured I may try to accomplish two things with the foam: a.) elevate the speaker so that it's actually closer to the bottom edge of the TV (and actually much closer to ear level) which would help better anchor dialogue, etc., to the screen and b.) acoustically decouple the speaker from the cabinet on which it rests. This seemed to have a remarkable difference. I only did this part last night, so I haven't had a chance to test out a wide variety of material, but at least for TV viewing, voices of news anchors, etc., that previously sounded very weak, tinny or boxy suddenly came to life with a much warmer, more natural presence. See pictures.

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So now, overall this system is rocking pretty hard! I plan to run YPAO a few more times to better dial in a few remaining issues; the single-point run seemed to get me the best results vs. the multi, so I'm going to do it again for that alone, and also because my center channel speaker is now in a new position.

The jury is still out on some of the enhancements that are built in to this receiver... Cinema DSP 3D, Adaptive DSP, etc., and I have no use for the general DSP modes... so far I have cycled through all of them and definitely prefer the STRAIGHT setting for movie watching and regular 2.1 stereo for music listening. Pure Direct would be optimal but not with these speakers; if I had good quality floorstanders with good bass extension that would probably be a good mode for music listening, but without that 2.1 is the next best thing. I've never really cared for all those enhancement modes.. I feel that the point of a good system is accurately reproducing the content you feed it rather than trying to "fake" a particular environment. I have almost never found any of those types of modes enjoyable to listen to.

At any rate, I'm very happy with the change. I think I may start saving up for a speaker upgrade next to give this system even more of a boost, as with these newer AVR's I can definitely begin to see the chinks in the armor of my beloved SVS S-series speakers. At least I am 100% satisfied I'm starting with a solid, strong heart at the center of my system. So guess I'm a Yamaha guy now! :)
 
tyhjaarpa

tyhjaarpa

Audioholic Field Marshall
Good to hear that you enjoy your current receiver and setup! :)
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Congrats on the new toy. It sounds like your having fun (excuse the unintended pun :oops: )
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Congrats on the new toy. It sounds like your having fun (excuse the unintended pun :oops: )
Hah, thank you sir. Yeah I am - I'm entirely indifferent regarding all the various bells and whistles on these newer AVR's, I just want a good reliable, powerful receiver that can switch 4k sources and drive my not-so-sensitive speakers fairly well. However, I'm finding that I do quite like the ability to bring up controls on my iPhone, operate my outside zone independently from the main zone, and the capability to customize the auto-calibration settings like I said, big plus. Couldn't do that with either Audyssey or MCACC, so YPAO definitely wins that aspect. Not sure yet how well it's really doing with anything in the subwoofer range or below the crossover setting on my speakers (80Hz) as far as eq or RSC is concerned, but so far I haven't noticed anything yet that stands out as too wonky as far as the sub. Maybe a bit of boominess detected with some movie soundtracks so far, but nothing to freak out over. At some point I may add a second sub to better balance things out, that'll just be part of my overall speaker upgrade effort as time and funds permit.

It still needs a little love to get it tightened up fully for sure, but I'm getting it there. :)
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
Nice job! You're making good progress. Curious how you like navigating a Yamaha? Was thinking you might want to scoot that CC ahead to the edge. 'Specially since you've made note of it before. Anyway, glad you got what you hoped for!
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Nice job! You're making good progress. Curious how you like navigating a Yamaha? Was thinking you might want to scoot that CC ahead to the edge. 'Specially since you've made note of it before. Anyway, glad you got what you hoped for!
Thanks man! The menu structure is a bit weird I'll admit, but it's nothing I can't get used to. In fact, even at this point I already am fairly accustomed to it, so soon as I know a tweak I'd like to make I get right to where that setting lives.

CC may be pushed up even further still, but figured I'd worry about that once I get more time to run YPAO again. I literally had just gotten that thing perched atop that foam block as of late last night and just didn't want to fool with it anymore lol. Well, aside from basic cable TV listening before going to bed and again this morning. A more critical evaluation of whether or not the foam block is helping to follow. :) I was thinking it may be high enough at this point where the speaker dispersion angle would clear that front edge and I think it just misses it. Sound did seem to clean right up and regain a lot of its warmth, so here's to hoping!
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
Seems like whenever you get new gear, you never get time to sit and really check it out. Life happens, and time flies. lol I'm lucky though, my tv doesn't get turned on without the rest of the system. Wheel of fortune to criminal minds to AirPlaying Spotify. Never even heard my Tvs speakers! This gives me a good chance to evaluate all kinds of material. I guess it looks like you're the same way. Now you just have to sit down and play! I hear you about navigation. I have a Yamaha avr in my garage system. More entry level than yours, but the menu tree sux! And the remote too lol. I know they've come a long way, so I'm sure yours is better. Turn it up!
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
The remote is rather flimsy and awkward for such a pricey receiver. I only keep it on the coffee table while I'm tweaking, otherwise I run everything with my Harmony.
 
William Lemmerhirt

William Lemmerhirt

Audioholic Overlord
I miss my harmony. It as much as my wife does! She goes crazy trying to run things. Lol
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai

Congrats Halon! Audibly less distortion? Improved soundstage? Doesn’t speak well of whatever front end you were using before, does it? :)

The jury is still out on some of the enhancements that are built in to this receiver... Cinema DSP 3D, Adaptive DSP, etc., and I have no use for the general DSP modes.

I've never really cared for all those enhancement modes.. I feel that the point of a good system is accurately reproducing the content you feed it rather than trying to "fake" a particular environment.
Might want to take a closer look. Yamaha’s DSP modes are as good as they get. Unlike most other manufacturers (perhaps all others), many of Yamaha’s modes aren’t artificial creations but modeled to recreate the acoustics of actual performance venues in various places in the U.S. and Europe, that they actually have visited and sampled.

What I do (when I use the DSP soundfields) is find one representative of a venue I would visit to see a live performance of the artist I’m listening to, such as one of the club settings for a jazz band. The level of the DSP can be turned down for a subtle ambient effect that doesn’t distract from imaging, but is definitely missed if turned off. (The various parameters of each soundfield can likewise be adjusted up or down to make the “room” seem smaller or larger.) Note, the DSP processing can be rolled into the front main speakers, but works best with an extra pair of small front speakers to carry the ambient information.

I think at least some of the movie modes are modeled after real movie theaters, some small and some large. I particularly like them for watching the late-night talk shows, to (once again) imitate the venue.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai

BTW, what are you using for the clock display in your rack?

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Congrats Halon! Audibly less distortion? Improved soundstage? Doesn’t speak well of whatever front end you were using before, does it? :)


Might want to take a closer look. Yamaha’s DSP modes are as good as they get. Unlike most other manufacturers (perhaps all others), many of Yamaha’s modes aren’t artificial creations but modeled to recreate the acoustics of actual performance venues in various places in the U.S. and Europe, that they actually have visited and sampled.

What I do (when I use the DSP soundfields) is find one representative of a venue I would visit to see a live performance of the artist I’m listening to, such as one of the club settings for a jazz band. The level of the DSP can be turned down for a subtle ambient effect that doesn’t distract from imaging, but is definitely missed if turned off. (The various parameters of each soundfield can likewise be adjusted up or down to make the “room” seem smaller or larger.) Note, the DSP processing can be rolled into the front main speakers, but works best with an extra pair of small front speakers to carry the ambient information.

I think at least some of the movie modes are modeled after real movie theaters, some small and some large. I particularly like them for watching the late-night talk shows, to (once again) imitate the venue.

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
Hmmm maybe food for thought there. To be fair I cycled through those modes with content playing that was less than ideal for the type of DSP it was seemingly made for so I'll take your advice to heart and give it a go next time I cue up an appropriate track!

As for the clock display, just my good old standard cable box sir. :)
 
Halon451

Halon451

Audioholic Samurai
Oh yes much improved sound and lack of distortion evident. The girlfriend and I just watched a movie together and everything was enormous and clear! So happy right now!

I do feel that maybe some of my residual minor issues are merely due to bad acoustics. I may be experiencing a bit of slap echo with that couch pushed up against very acoustically reflective back wall there so I'm looking into a DIY panel project soon using some standard Owens Corning 703. But I can safely say even without the treatments it's a huge improvement. Tonight was the first real test of actually sitting down to watch a whole movie (not just cueing up certain films and scenes for testing). Those old SVS speakers have still got it where it counts ;)
 
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