Power Rating of Speakers -High End vs Old Pro Audio Transducers

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Power Handling of Speakers



Power ratings of serious loudspeaker manufacturers, in the Pro Audio and the PA industry in particular, usually have been conservative in their publishing of power rating for their transducers. For instance, in the 1960's, Altec 416 woofers were originally advertized with a power rating of 30 watts, but they could handle a peak wattage several times their published ratings without damage whatsoever. The latest version series of that woofer with a published power rating of 75 watts, can handle a peak wattage of up to 300 watts without any damage. Altec indicated in the ad for the Model 19 speaker enclosure, which featured a 1,200 Hz passive crossover, that it could handle up to 350 watts of music program.



JBL's B380 subwoofer has a continuous power rating of 600 watts of sine wave input, and it would take up to 2,400 watts peak of program material and perhaps a little bit more without damage.



However, there are some conditions which would enable the possibility of driving a speaker to those high power limits:


  1. 1. The speaker has to be installed in a properly designed cabinet which provides adequate loading of the speaker cone, which means that with a bass reflex enclosure for instance, the speaker should not be driven at frequencies below the Fb (tuning frequency of the cabinet). If that did happen, the speaker cone would exceed its X-Max with resulting permanent damage. Please bear in mind that, every time the frequency is halved, the cone excursion is increased by a factor of four.
2.The amplifier should be prevented from clipping. If you can't keep the power amp from clipping (say, you have no limiter and the system is overdriven) the amplifier power should equal the speaker continuous power rating.


You can find an interesting document from Crown relating to how much power needed for a particular speaker, taking into account the projected application:

http:/www.crownaudio.com/how-much-amplifier-power

QUESTION OF DISCUSSION:
I wonder if high end loudspeaker systems, including raw speakers, can handle 4 times their published power ratings. Are the high end manufacturers as conservative in their figures as their old Pro Audio counterparts? Do some act like several amplifier manufacturers have done by providing dishonest and misleading figures?


Any comments someone?
 
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shadyJ

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The power ratings are guidelines, and usually pretty sensible ones. You have to differentiate between peak and continuous. Different amount of current can destroy speakers in different ways at different frequencies. From your post it sounds like you are trying to boil down this subject into something simple, but it is not simple. If you put too much energy into a speaker at high frequencies, you can cook the voice coil, but if you put too much energy into the speaker at low frequencies, you can bottom out the driver and destroy the former or tear up the suspension.

If you want a simple way to tell if the speaker is at its maximum power handling, listen for stress noises, distortion, or anything that sounds off, or even smells off. That means it's time to back off. That isn't a surefire way to protect your speakers from over-driving though, and you still might be able to kill your speaker without sensing anything wrong before its death, and it depends on different factors.
 
3db

3db

Audioholic Slumlord
Why are you asking this question? Are you planning on purchasing/using speakers 4x their power rating? If its a simple curiosity question, Shady pretty much nailed it.
 
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Power Handling of Speakers



Power ratings of serious loudspeaker manufacturers, in the Pro Audio and the PA industry in particular, usually have been conservative in their publishing of power rating for their transducers. For instance, in the 1960's, Altec 416 woofers were originally advertized with a power rating of 30 watts, but they could handle a peak wattage several times their published ratings without damage whatsoever. The latest version series of that woofer with a published power rating of 75 watts, can handle a peak wattage of up to 300 watts without any damage. Altec indicated in the ad for the Model 19 speaker enclosure, which featured a 1,200 Hz passive crossover, that it could handle up to 350 watts of music program.



JBL's B380 subwoofer has a continuous power rating of 600 watts of sine wave input, and it would take up to 2,400 watts peak of program material and perhaps a little bit more without damage.



However, there are some conditions which would enable the possibility of driving a speaker to those high power limits:


  1. 1. The speaker has to be installed in a properly designed cabinet which provides adequate loading of the speaker cone, which means that with a bass reflex enclosure for instance, the speaker should not be driven at frequencies below the Fb (tuning frequency of the cabinet). If that did happen, the speaker cone would exceed its X-Max with resulting permanent damage. Please bear in mind that, every time the frequency is halved, the cone excursion is increased by a factor of four.
2.The amplifier should be prevented from clipping. If you can't keep the power amp from clipping (say, you have no limiter and the system is overdriven) the amplifier power should equal the speaker continuous power rating.


You can find an interesting document from Crown relating to how much power needed for a particular speaker, taking into account the projected application:

http:/www.crownaudio.com/how-much-amplifier-power

QUESTION OF DISCUSION:
I wonder if high end loudspeaker systems, including raw speakers, can handle 4 times their published power ratings. Are the high end manufacturers as conservative in their figures as their old Pro Audio counterparts? Do some act like several amplifier manufacturers have done by providing dishonest and misleading figures?


Any comments someone?
The pro audio world is very different from the consumer world- when a system is designed, it's often an electrical engineer who does this and they work with design criteria that are specific and rigid. They want to know the SPL range during operation, distance from speaker(s) to listener(s), dispersion needs, room dimensions and to some extent, the acoustical characteristics. They need to ensure that the system shall operate and in contract language, 'shall operate' carries a lot more weight than 'will operate'. Also, a commercial or pro audio system is set up to operate within a specific range of frequencies and power level, which means that if someone sets the volume control to WOT, it won't kill the speakers. Consumers are under the impression that if a control goes to eleven, then they're gonna crank it to eleven.
 
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yepimonfire

Audioholic Samurai
I'd say with 99% confidence no home audio speaker can handle a program of 4x their power rating. Physics states that a speaker can handle a peak power of 3x its rated rms power.

The real question is what methodology are manufacturers using to come up with rms power ratings? Ideally, 20hz-20khz pink noise should be used. Your assumption about using sealed speakers is not so cut and dry either. If you have a speaker with a port tuning frequency of 30hz pretty much everything from 50hz down to 30hz is going to consume very little power compared to other frequencies and there will be very little cone excursion and significantly less power consumption very close to the tuning frequency because of the way the port becomes a resonator. I once owned a pair of very large pair of ported speakers that were tuned to about 25hz. I ran them full range with the lfe going to them and noticed very little excursion during super bass heavy scenes and they handled it just fine even at reference volume.

A bookshelf speaker tuned at 60hz might handle rock music just fine at very high levels but be destroyed by dubstep at the same volume.

Its always a good idea to get more amplifier power than you need even if your speakers aren't rated for it. If your amp has a maximum peak power of 85 watts and your speakers rms rating is 85 watts a simple 3dB increase will send the amp into severe clipping. Generally, tweeters only consume about 15-20% of the power of the speaker. Tweeters are not rated for the same power handling. You might have a speaker rated at 100w rms, but that woofer might be rated at 150w rms and the tweeter 20w rms. if you're pushing 100 watts into the speaker and the tweeter is getting 15 of those watts as soon as you run out of headroom you just showed the xover an infinitely high frequency at the clipping and all that power is now dumped in DC mode into the tweeter, which has an Xmax in fractions of millimeters and significantly less power handling than your woofer. Guess what happens next?

The second question, and more important one to ask when deciding whether your amplifier and speakers can give and take enough power is how loud are you going to listen? Let's assume you're listening in two channel mode, your speakers are rated 87dB 1w/1m and your room is not acoustically dead. Even sitting 16 feet away 100w gets you 99dB. For music, this is excessively loud. For theater at reference level, we can add in the center channel, I'll give the surrounds the benefit of the doubt of not contributing much to the sound. Now you got 101dB, 4dB short of reference but still incredibly loud regardless.

People put way too much emphasis on watts, both output and power handling. People in the audio community are always going on about how many watts this receiver outputs, or how high of power handling this speaker has, when they should be asking "How effective is this speaker at converting electrical watts into sound?" It's much cheaper and efficient to think about sensitivity. If someone needs more spl, it's much effective to get speakers that are more efficient. If you replace an 87dB 1w/1m bookshelf with a large 95dB 1w/1m floor standing speaker, guess what? You've just gained what would have taken 400w of power to achieve in an equally sensitive speaker. If you stack two subs next to each other rated for 200w you've effectively gained what would have taken 800w in a single sub with 400w.
 
vsound5150

vsound5150

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So for music listening at home at lower volume levels is it better to get speakers with a more sensitive rating (lower dB?) to minimize the amp working hard thus cleaner sound?

I'm trying to make sense of all this to achieve very clean sound at lower volume levels for my system at home, thanks.
 

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