Ending up scoring an Ascend Acoustics CBM 170 on evil bay for $100. Listening to Miles and George Coleman on them, with the NAD stuff, right now, and am impressed. Of course not the same bass as Advents, but still very nice. Definitely worth $100 for an introduction to Ascend products--a brand I never heard of, until this thread. I'll have fun with these for awhile, Im sure