AVR+ Sub pairing options

[ahmadh123]

Hi guys.

I've recently decided to build a entry level home theatre system. I was going to go for a sound bar, but a friend insisted those are worthless and instead I should get a component system. Clearly, the budget I had in mind has been overshot by the options that I am seeing. Nonetheless, I will be proceeding with building the system.

I have the Klipsch Quintet IV speakers. I have to buy a AVR and a sub for those. I have shortlisted the Klipsch R10SW as the sub to add to the mix. How would you guys rate the sub?

In addition, for the AVR, I'm looking at the Yamaha RX-V481 as the AVR of choice. Another option is the Denon AVR-X1300W. (I don't see myself upgrading to a 7.1 system, but both are within my budget)

Any thoughts on how well these would match?

Finally, I am trying to attach my bedroom layout in .jpg format, but it keeps giving me an error after 100% completed. (My room dimensions are 10ft 8in x 16ft 10in) One issue that I can foresee is the placement of the rear / surround speakers. The Klipsch user manual recommends placement to the sides of the seating. One side of the seating is a door, and the other side is a window. I can place them at the rear of the room, but would that affect the sound quality adversely?

Thank you!

 

[lovinthehd]

You don't "pair" avrs and subs; as long as the avr has bass management and a sub pre-out, you're good. The avrs mentioned will be fine for your speakers, too. Surrounds are intended for side placement, not rear (rears come into play with 7ch setups). Got a pic of the room for ideas on placement?

As to the sub, it's okay but not a particularly capable sub; I saw a thread citing a sale price recently of $180 at which it would be priced very well but sale apparently only lasted a very short time and price went up to $275 afterwards at which point it becomes less interesting. You don't need to have the same brand of sub as speaker, btw. What's your max budget for a sub?

 

[ahmadh123]

Thank you for taking the timeout to respond in detail to my post.

I've attached the layout of the room. This is 95% correct to scale. The closest I can place the surround speakers to the side is about 1-1.5 feet ahead of side on position?

So I live in Pakistan. I was in the US a few weeks ago so picked up the quintets from Amazon. I would've got the amp and the sub from there too, but those are lowered and are suitable for 110v, while the power source in Pakistan is 220v.

As much as it pains me to say this, but the subwoofer I just mentioned (r10sw) costs about $450-$500 here, as compared to $275 in the US. Given the room size, would this one do fine?


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[lovinthehd]

Will you always watch from the seat rather than the bed?

 

[ahmadh123]

Yes. The couch will be the spot.


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[lovinthehd]

I'd probably simply put the surrounds on stands at the rear corners of the seating (you could move them around a bit behind the seat to keep them out of the way when not in use). Maybe mount them up on the junction of wall/ceiling above the window/door, pointed down at your seating.

While I'm a fan of larger subs, even in the bedroom, you'll probably be fine with the Klipsch 10" but generally I'd go with at least a 12" sub....

 

[ahmadh123]

Right. Now that you mention it, there is space above the window on the right and the door on the left. They can be mounted there and pointed down.

My question would be, is that okay? From what I've read, the fronts need to have tweeters at ear level ideally. The surrounds should do okay mounted high? I'll share some photos of the two spots tomorrow.

The Klipsch R12SW is available here are well. That goes for about $600. Probably double again of what it costs in the US.

What I will do is go in to the audio shops and listen to both subs and see if my ear can spot a significant difference between the two?


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[lovinthehd]

Right. Now that you mention it, there is space above the window on the right and the door on the left. They can be mounted there and pointed down.

My question would be, is that okay? From what I've read, the fronts need to have tweeters at ear level ideally. The surrounds should do okay mounted high? I'll share some photos of the two spots tomorrow.

The Klipsch R12SW is available here are well. That goes for about $600. Probably double again of what it costs in the US.

What I will do is go in to the audio shops and listen to both subs and see if my ear can spot a significant difference between the two?


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Yes, would be fine as long as the speakers are aimed at your ears. I have done this a couple of times.

Well the R12SW is $350 on amazon including shipping at the moment....but is a more capable sub. Listening to subs without setting them up properly (and many audio shops simply don't) can be a waste of time but may give you an idea of a difference between the two (altho better if they were in the same place)....you might like to read their big brothers' review.

 

[ahmadh123]

This is the wall to the left, if you're facing the front. As you can see, there's a table and a door at the right height. There is space above the door where it can be mounted and pointed towards the couch.

This is the wall to the right, if you're facing the front. There's the window I was talking about. Could potentially do stands? But can also mount it above the window this side.

That's the front. The front speakers I'm thinking of mounting on the wall, next to the tv. The sub will be placed on the left of
The tv and the console area.

Lemme know if you have any alternate suggestions or ideas! Thank you!



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[Pogre]

as far as your surrounds, you could put 1 on the dresser to the left and just behind your couch. it's almost perfect. a stand at the same height for the other side in front of the window would work fine. there shouldn't be any problems with wall mounting above the window and door, respectively, either if you prefer. just angle your surrounds downward so the tweeters are aimed at your ears in your listening position.

I'd go with stands in the front for your mains and set the center right on the existing stand under the tv. again, wall mounting is a viable option too though and I'm sure you'll get a bunch more suggestions. I'm just offering what looks to be the simplest for what I'd do.

 

[ahmadh123]

Thanks Pogre. If the surrounds will be okay above the doorway / window, then I'd rather do that. I'd prefer the symmetry of that.

Any particular reason you suggest the stands for the front speakers, instead of wall mounting? Especially since the quintet IV come with very handy adjustable mounts.


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[Pogre]

I'm not familiar with those speakers, but I just did a quick search. I was picturing a larger bookshelf type speaker. those are almost tailored for wall mounting. that'll totally work. the manual suggests at least 24" from the side walls for optimal performance though if there's room for it.

 

[lovinthehd]

This is the wall to the left, if you're facing the front. As you can see, there's a table and a door at the right height. There is space above the door where it can be mounted and pointed towards the couch.

This is the wall to the right, if you're facing the front. There's the window I was talking about. Could potentially do stands? But can also mount it above the window this side.

That's the front. The front speakers I'm thinking of mounting on the wall, next to the tv. The sub will be placed on the left of
The tv and the console area.

Lemme know if you have any alternate suggestions or ideas! Thank you!



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Looks like plenty of room and as long as you don't have issues routing wires, they'd certainly be out of the way up there.

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[ahmadh123]

Thank you guys. Gone ahead and removed the ad in my signature.

Will keep you posted in this thread once I procure the equipment discussed.

Cheers!

 

[ahmadh123]

That's what it looks like setup. One question, before I get to the technical stuff. The left front speaker keeps drooping forward if I'm listening to music loud. I've tried tightening all the nuts etc.

Any suggestions?

 

[lovinthehd]

That's what it looks like setup. One question, before I get to the technical stuff. The left front speaker keeps drooping forward if I'm listening to music loud. I've tried tightening all the nuts etc.

Any suggestions?

When I've used mounts like that and the weight of the speaker is sufficient to allow movement and they're as tight as possible I upgrade the mount. Something with a higher weight rating or something like this if necessary

 

[ahmadh123]

Since they're sold as a package by Klipsch, you'd expect the mounts to hold the weight of the speakers? Might have to open them up and maybe clean the ball joint. Get any oil etc out of there which might be making the one speaker droop.

 

[ahmadh123]

Question regarding the amp settings. So the setup I purchased is as follows:
Klipsch Quintet IV
Klipsch R12SW
Yamaha RX-V481
The speakers are set to as small on the amp. The center channel is set to small as well. The crossover is set to 120 on the amp. I've noticed that the sub has a crossover too. Which one supersedes the other?

 

[lovinthehd]

Question regarding the amp settings. So the setup I purchased is as follows:
Klipsch Quintet IV
Klipsch R12SW
Yamaha RX-V481
The speakers are set to as small on the amp. The center channel is set to small as well. The crossover is set to 120 on the amp. I've noticed that the sub has a crossover too. Which one supersedes the other?

You're using the crossover in the avr so generally on the sub you either set the low pass filter (need both a low pass filter and a high pass filter to qualify as a crossover) to max, or sometimes just using the LFE input on a sub will bypass the low pass filter (just max it out to be safe).

 

[ahmadh123]

I'm in a fix. Just discovered one of the speakers with a broken terminal. I have no idea how this happened. The wife denies that it fell during cleaning. Any suggestions for how to fix this? Should I just solder it on? Can it be replaced?

I've contacted Klipsch for replacement parts. But not sure if it's an easy fix to open and replace.

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