Hello guys !

[AudibleAcoustic]

Hi every one I'm new to the forum but have been an audiophile for years. I'm about to upgrade the cables on my system and was wondering what every one else is using?

So lets hear it ?

 

[jaxvon]

What's the purpose of upgrading your cables? And what are YOU using right now?

 

[Sheep]

For speaker wire, you can't beat the deals from www.westlake-electronic.com

get anything you need from there, whether it be 10awg speaker wire, or....anything.

Are you doing video/digital cables aswell?


Sheepstar

 

[mtrycrafts]

Hi every one I'm new to the forum but have been an audiophile for years. I'm about to upgrade the cables on my system and was wondering what every one else is using?

So lets hear it ?

Cable upgrade? What happened to the ones you have? How are they deficient?

 

[jaxvon]

If you think you're going to magically enhance the sound with better cables, think again. As long as you're using proper cables for each application and, in the speaker aspect, a cable of low resistance, then you'll be doing just fine.

Here's some reading on the subject: http://www.audioholics.com/techtips/audioprinciples/cables.htm

 

[AudibleAcoustic]

well

Im using a quad RG6 with silver center and a basic push on connector. I have been pretty pleased till a friend brought over a Vector cable??. It was almost like night and day. Ill have to ask him what it was. It really woke me up though to what the cables can do. He also mentioned zen acoustic or something like that. Any experience? Where could I go to read more about this ?

Edit:

I just found a review of this cable on another audio site.

http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/t.pl?f=cables&m=113384

Any one else used a Tara labs cable? I'm impressed so far. Any other reviews you guys could point me to? anyone use these ?

Thanks for the advice

 

[Nick250]

It's called the placebo effect. Ain't no improved sound from the expensive cables. That being said, if you really believe a Vector cable makes a night and day difference, and it makes you happy then go for it. But really, use the brain God gave you and think this through.
And speaker wire that needs to be broken in, it boggles the mind. IMO of course.

 

[jaxvon]

Talk to Sleestack. He's purchased expensive cables (Cardas) as well as cheap ones. He can tell you straight up.

Why do audio mags rave about cables? One word: money.

 

[AudibleAcoustic]

well

Dont get me wrong I can completely see your point but the sound is obviously different. Much better infact, when I really crank it up it just keeps going. I just wonder where the point of diminishing returns is. I will probably buy a set of these just because I've heard them. I cant see myself spending any more though.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Dont get me wrong I can completely see your point but the sound is obviously different. Much better infact, when I really crank it up it just keeps going. I just wonder where the point of diminishing returns is. I will probably buy a set of these just because I've heard them. I cant see myself spending any more though.

Well, either there was something wrong with one set of cables, or it is just human imagination taken over. To date, no one has been able to audibly differentiate between speaker cables of equivalent gauges, 12-16 ga, under bias controlled protocols.

Oh, yes, it must be under bias controlled protocol or the raves about it is meaningless and unreliable. Them are the facts.

Oh, yes, that AA site is appropriately named. A loony bin of a place.

 

[BMXTRIX]

Since you asked:

I use RG-6 Quad Shield that I got from Home Depot for some video.
Mostly it is Extron Mini-HR cable for my video with F-Conn connectors.

For audio it is mostly Monster 16/4 that I have run throughout my home.

I have a bunch of Monster interconnects that are way to long that I will probably switch out for some Planet Waves DIY cables.

I would love to someday hear a difference between two cables. It would really make me feel like an idiot. I long to feel like an idiot. At this point though, it simply hasn't hapenned.

 

[mtrycrafts]

I would love to someday hear a difference between two cables. .

Well, if evolution improves your hearing in time, you might But as we get older, it better work really fast

 

[buckyg4]

Maybe you can't hear a difference, but it is just ignorant to say that cables don't make a difference and that its a fact that no one can distinguish the sound. I've used cables cheap and expensive and its honestly not possible to predict how it will sound with your setup because there is a difference in sound. You just have to put it in your system and listen. For example.. About a month ago someone switched the cables at the office where I work. AFter about 20 minutes in the morning I had a splitting headache from listening fatigue.. It took me a couple of days to figure out that someone had switched cables.

Well, either there was something wrong with one set of cables, or it is just human imagination taken over. To date, no one has been able to audibly differentiate between speaker cables of equivalent gauges, 12-16 ga, under bias controlled protocols.

Oh, yes, it must be under bias controlled protocol or the raves about it is meaningless and unreliable. Them are the facts.

Oh, yes, that AA site is appropriately named. A loony bin of a place.

 

[MDS]

Consider yourself lucky buckyg. You are one in a million.

 

[buckyg4]

More like one in whomever takes the time to listen instead of reading about physics and DBTs. I'm not denying that alot of cables sound the same. I'm also not saying that if you pay more you will get better sound (as I have heard many overpriced cables that sound the same as 20 cent a ft cables). What I am saying is that there are differences among cables. The case I explained in the previous message is just one simple blind test example.

Consider yourself lucky buckyg. You are one in a million.

 

[AudibleAcoustic]

I guess I am 2 in a million

 

[mtrycrafts]

I guess I am 2 in a million

MDS was very generous. To date, no one has passed a DBT listening test between comparable cables, no one.
Sure you heard something. But I bet, it was your eyes doing the listening, not your ears alone, under bias controlled protocols.

 

[mtrycrafts]

Maybe you can't hear a difference, but it is just ignorant to say that cables don't make a difference and that its a fact that no one can distinguish the sound.

Ignorant??? Why do you think this? Have you conducted a DBT listening
to compare your cables? I bet not. To date, no one has passed such a comparison between comparable cables, no one.
Using your eyes is unreliable, misleading at best.



I've used cables cheap and expensive and its honestly not possible to predict how it will sound with your setup because there is a difference in sound.

Actually, it is very possible to predict its sonic quality from the cable parameter specs. That is reality, not wishful thinking.


About a month ago someone switched the cables at the office where I work. AFter about 20 minutes in the morning I had a splitting headache from listening fatigue.. It took me a couple of days to figure out that someone had switched cables.


Interesting story, nothing more. When you can pass a DBT listening test comparing your cables to generic ones, then we can discuss this further. Anything less, is just stories like alien abduction, holistic healing, psychic encounters, etc.

 

[jaxvon]

Mtry, I have no problem with you disagreeing with people. But the way you belittle them and tell them that any of their perceptions are completely wrong is very uncalled for. You could express the same idea in a different, more respectful way and get better results.

 

[buckyg4]

Maybe you can't hear a difference, but it is just ignorant to say that cables don't make a difference and that its a fact that no one can distinguish the sound.

Ignorant??? Why do you think this? Have you conducted a DBT listening
to compare your cables? I bet not. To date, no one has passed such a comparison between comparable cables, no one.
Using your eyes is unreliable, misleading at best.

Yes, I conduct a DBT test everytime I change cables. I have a couple sets of "reference" cables (sometimes 3 or 4) and I mix in the new cable and listen to all sets of them and I pick the one I like the sound of the best. If its the new cable then I will go with it and if its the least expensive of the bunch then even better.

I've used cables cheap and expensive and its honestly not possible to predict how it will sound with your setup because there is a difference in sound.

Actually, it is very possible to predict its sonic quality from the cable parameter specs. That is reality, not wishful thinking.

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LOL.. I won't justify this with a response since you just told me above that no one to date has passed a DBT. If you believe this then you believe all cables sound the same. Please make up your mind before you respond.