Audyssey Questions

[JOHN FICKEL]

I do agree to a point, Yes were all allowed to go back into the AVR and adjust to our liking, however, just because we can make manual adjustments to our liking doesn't make it correct . I have a friend that insists to turn his surround speakers to +10, and says he do it even louder if he could

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

Hi John, I was thinking that there is a big difference in sound levels myself between the front mains and the centre.I was also thinking that I might need to bring the front 3 speakers forward a good foot or so.The main sweet spot where I am sitting is a good 4.7 meters from the centre channel as it is a big room.I will give it a try tonight and see if there is a difference.Maybe 3 or so feet forward even.

Try and go by the manufacturer's way of setting the speakers up. For example Klipsch Recommends pulling my RF-7ii's out at least a foot from the back wall.

 

[everettT]

Try and go by the manufacturer's way of setting the speakers up. For example Klipsch Recommends pulling my RF-7ii's out at least a foot from the back wall.

That can be a good way to start, but with each room different, it can create another problem. Trial and error for those that dont measure and map their room's response.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

Yes, you are correct. but usually start with the manufacturers recommendations

 

[Grassy]

Otherwise why level match all the speakers to begin with

Exactly, then what use would Audyssey be in setting distances and so on.I do know one thing and that is when i changed from standard audyssey xt32 that came with my 3d upgrade(with included mic) and then used the prokit there was a noticeable difference in the centre channel speaker in regards to volume and clarity.And that was noticeable to my ears.I do believe i have to be careful in changing db volumes after audyssey has done its thing, as by simply adding volume to a channel you can take away the immersion in a movie.

 

[Dreko]

I had set up many home theater for family and friend. Here in Puerto Rico is not that easy to find a professional to set up your system. So many friend call me to help them to set up and to give them some crash course how everything works. I always start with Audyssey for the initial set up, after that I change the front speaker to small and the 80 hz crossover. Today receiver specially low cost receiver don have the power to handle low frequency so is better to send those to a sub. Next I choose like three different movies and play some tracks with dialog and special effect. I usually adjust the level just a bit. I had friend that prefer action movies, movies with a lot of sound effect and loud volume. For those sometimes I have to adjust the LFE crossover a bit to get better clear loud sound. Everybody is different but Audessey really help to get you start and sometimes the adjustment are just a couple db and a few hz

 

[lovinthehd]

. For those sometimes I have to adjust the LFE crossover a bit to get better clear loud sound. Everybody is different but Audessey really help to get you start and sometimes the adjustment are just a couple db and a few hz

LFE crossover?

 

[Dreko]

LFE crossover?

Sorry I mean the speaker cross for the low frequency.

 

[Grassy]

I have solved my problem of the db difference between my centre and my mains and can now hear my centre speaker better. What i did was i changed Audyssey to Flat and moved my front 3 speakers forward a little and turned the centre channel down, so now the mains read -6.5 and my centre reads -4.5.I can now hear my centre very clearly during speech in a movie.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

Awesome, glad you figured it out. This is why I personally never EQ.. In most cases I really don't think it makes it better. In the end result use your ears, if you think it makes improve the Fidelity of the system then use it.

 

[herbu]

Your ears are the final arbiter... initial setup w/ Audyssey... Then YOU tweak speakers so they sound best to YOU

In the end result use your ears, if you think it makes improve the Fidelity of the system then use it

????? Fickle indeed.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

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????? Fickle indeed.

? Not the same. Equalization changes the tone of all the speakers. I believe that's quite different than having all the speakers unleveled.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

And you have helped me a lot Herbu, you and PENG. You guys are great ! You just had me confused, saying it was OK for someone to turn there center channel up 7db more than other speakers

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

No disrespect to anyone.. We are all on here to achieve audio Nirvana.. Audioholics is awesome!!

 

[lovinthehd]

? Not the same. Equalization changes the tone of all the speakers. I believe that's quite different than having all the speakers unleveled.

Level is a loudness related setting. For higher fidelity, i.e. for more accurate playback of the frequencies recorded, sometimes eq is necessary depending on your room/speakers. Some prefer the native response of their speakers in their room, but it isn't necessarily higher fidelity.

 

[PENG]

? Not the same. Equalization changes the tone of all the speakers. I believe that's quite different than having all the speakers unleveled.

John, he said in the end use ears, that's basically same as what you said too. I thought you might have checked "disagree" by mistake as it is right next to "agree".

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

Actually I did by mistake. I didn't catch it until after he posted back. And then I just thought to why he would recommend to anyone, then it's OK to turn up one speaker channel, 6 DB more than others

 

[Grassy]

I moved my speakers forward a good foot or two and then added the correct measurements with a tape measure. Do i need to rerun audyssey again.Surrounds are still in the same place.

 

[PENG]

I moved my speakers forward a good foot or two and then added the correct measurements with a tape measure. Do i need to rerun audyssey again.Surrounds are still in the same place.

It depends, either you trust Audyssey and let it does its thing, or just turn it off. Audyssey's distance measurements could be affected by signal delays for various reasons, though for the front speakers, they should typically come close to the tape measured values.

https://audyssey.zendesk.com/entries/177817-Subwoofer-Distance

If you trust Audyssey on what it was designed to do then yes you should re-run it after every major move of your speakers, but a foot or two may not change things much except for subwoofers. For subwoofers, even a few inches could change things a lot. Room EQ systems such as Audyssey may not be for everyone as it's goal is to try and get your system to reproduce sound as intended but not to an individual's liking. Even if it achieves its goal perfectly in your room (that is impossible), you may still not prefer it hence the option to set the fronts to bypass, or turn the whole thing off completely.

 

[JOHN FICKEL]

I have found I almost prefer to do everything manually now. Automatic calibration systems leave to much to be desired.