Does a terrorist that poses a threat to national security have any rights for humane treatment

[markw]

Ironically, in the US it is more expensive to have someone be given death sentence when compared to life in prison without parole sentences.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2011/09/22/death-and-taxes-the-real-cost-of-the-death-penalty

the only ones who benefit from this are lawyers. Think about it.

 

[Chu Gai]

Norway has it written into their constitution where the death penalty has been eliminated. Same for much of Europe. It's easy to be enlightened and embrace such an understanding position when it happens very infrequently. Almost reminds me of the society in Demolition Man.

 

[herbu]

taxpayer relief shot.

Priceless!

 

[Chu Gai]

Here's a woman in England convicted of murdering three men who is also claiming isolation is not humane. Apparently she has caused self-injury to which I say they should make sure she has belts and low lying pipes.

 

[highfigh]

On 07.22.2011 Norway was shattered by the most violent terror attack in history as 77 people were gunned down in the most inhuman way, in addition to a sensless bombing that left the government building in ruins, destroying the whole block…

It's an understatement to say that people came out together... after this...

The court case against anders b. breivik was a nightmare of vision into the brain of the most cruel and sensless person in this part of the world, maybe ever… Perhaps not even during world war ii we saw such cruelty and madness… it’s beyond our wildest dreams…

I was reading the transcript from the courtcase on the day that breivik explained what he did on 07.22, and I have regretted ever since, reading that...

That day changed the face of Norway forever and country will never be the same again, even scary to think that one person alone can manage such a thing.

Now this creature of violence has started a courtcase against the Norwegian state as he claims that it’s not humane to be kept in isolation and that Norway treats him in a way that is degrading to him and breaks the human rights convention. I am shocked and beyond belief thinking that someone that killed 77 innocent persons, some of them down to the age of 11, has waved any rights for anything in the future. I understand the Norwegian police and authorities that this terrorist must be kept under lock as he will propose a threat to the national security, probably, for the rest of his life.

I can actually only imagine what kind of treatment such a guy would be facing in the US. Over here in Norway he gets a nice room, nice free food, rights to do studying through univsersity, all at the taxpayers costs… So does a terrorist that killed 77 people have any rights for humane treatments, NO

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/mar/02/norway-rejects-anders-breivik-inhuman-prison-conditions-claim

It would be interesting to hear what would be the case in US ?

In some US states, he would get a hug and in some, he would receive the death penalty.

Agreed.


If they were keeping him in solitary confinement merely for the sake of trying to torture him, he might have a point. However, its a reasonable precaution both for his safety and that of everyone else. I mean, which is more degrading to his human rights, being in solitary confinement or getting beaten and killed by a group of patriotic inmates?

Jeffrey Dahmer and another inmate (Jesse Anderson) were killed in the same incident in prison by another inmate, who wasn't going to get out, anyway. I think the inmate who killed them may have been paid or gets some privilege that others don't and I'm absolutely OK with that. Those two turds didn't need to live another day and I don't remember anyone in Wisconsin feeling bad when it happened. This guy would probably live for a short time if he was in general population, but I suspect it wouldn't be very long. Maybe a guard gets a cramp in their leg and can't help, maybe they look the other way. Doesn't matter. Put him in the same room with a couple of the worst- things happen.

Give him what he wants, but make sure he gets it good and hard.

 

[Chu Gai]

Take a look at the inhumane jail conditions in Norway, http://news.yahoo.com/take-a-look-at-the-jail-anders-breivik-says-122947121.html

I wonder what the recidivism rate there is?

 

[Chu Gai]

Maybe if he's allowed to mingle, something like this can happen to him.

 

[herbu]

Take a look at the inhumane jail conditions in Norway, http://news.yahoo.com/take-a-look-at-the-jail-anders-breivik-says-122947121.html

Oh My!
What this guy really needs is a good old fashioned "failure to communicate".

 

[rnatalli]

I can't help but think of what George Carlin said. He said the death penalty only works on those afraid to die. He was speaking in context of drug dealers who he said were already dying everyday from gang violence, etc. His suggestion was to go after the bankers who launder the drug money.

 

[Chu Gai]

I think it was in Freakonomics where the authors made the point that from the time a person is sentenced to death to the execution is something like 10 to 20 years. Hence, there's no immediacy and death is far into the future. The implication is that if it was just around the corner it might have more of a deterrent effect. Of course, you'd have to be mighty damned sure. Like take for example this ISIS combatant the Iraqi forces captured the other day. They posted on Twitter I think it was that they would allow people to post whether they wanted him freed or executed and gave them one hour. Well the account was shut down but I don't think he walked. Welcome to Judge Dredd.

 

[herbu]

George Carlin... go after the bankers who launder the drug money.

Hmmm.... George Carlin wanted bankers arrested instead of drug users/dealers. Imagine that.

 

[Chu Gai]

Seems the SOB won in Norwegian court and will be allowed to have supervised contact. Gov't pays his legal expenses. Somebody shank him please.

 

[Steve81]

Link. One interesting tidbit from that article:

Bjorn Ihler, one of the survivors of the Utoya massacre, said on Twitter that the ruling was a "sign we have a working court system, respecting human rights even under extreme conditions."

"Our best weapon in fighting extremism is humanity. The ruling in the Breivik case shows that we acknowledge the humanity of extremists too," he wrote.

 

[Chu Gai]

The Europeans and others broadly define the term human.

 

[markw]

Seems the SOB won in Norwegian court and will be allowed to have supervised contact. Gov't pays his legal expenses. Somebody shank him please.

Liberals. They'll be the death of us all. ...literally.