X4200 or 6010 for Klipsch RP and Emotiva amp?

[Sipos88]

Hi guys.

I have the Klipsch RP280f,RP450c,RP250s and 2x rw-12d
Emotiva xpa-5, upa-2

Movies 80% 20%music(loud)

I was looking at some receivers to have higher output RCA voltage for the amp(to get all the power out of it thru the pre-outs)

Ill be moving quite a bit the next 2-3 years. So no chance to do ATMOS in ceiling.. All i could do is 7.2...
Dts x sounds like an amazing thing. Is it worth the extra $$$ to pay for a receiver what has that or just go with something else?
Like 7009, 7702 or??
Hdcp 2.2 would be something what the Roku 4 requires or Apple tv?
Or I shouldnt worry for the next 2-3yrs?

Thanks!


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[lovinthehd]

What are the sensitivity ratings for the amps you have? I don't think you'd have an issue with either the Denon or Marantz units in any case. Have you thought instead of a new receiver just a bump box like something from Ebtech or ART? What do you have now?

 

[Sipos88]

What are the sensitivity ratings for the amps you have? I don't think you'd have an issue with either the Denon or Marantz units in any case. Have you thought instead of a new receiver just a bump box like something from Ebtech or ART? What do you have now?

My amps are 32db.
I used to have an older onkyo but i sold it. Now i dont have anything.

 

[lovinthehd]

My amps are 32db.
I used to have an older onkyo but i sold it. Now i dont have anything.

32dB is gain, not sensitivity...sensitivity is expressed in volts (e.g. my Crown pro amps are rated 1.4V ) while my Onkyo puts out over 4V and my Denon I believe 2V OTTOMH.

 

[Sipos88]

32dB is gain, not sensitivity...sensitivity is expressed in volts (e.g. my Crown pro amps are rated 1.4V ) while my Onkyo puts out over 4V and my Denon I believe 2V OTTOMH.

Im sorry. Its between 1.5V and 1.64V I believe.

 

[lovinthehd]

Im sorry. Its between 1.5V and 1.64V I believe.

Why do you think your current amp is not getting sufficient signal? Sounds like a very reasonable sensitivity rating for most gear....can you achieve clipping with the amp? Or does the XPA amp not provide this info?

 

[Sipos88]

At the moment i dont have any pre/pro or avr's.
Im planning to purchase something.



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[lovinthehd]

I'd worry about it after you get the avr/pre you want for features (not particularly pre-out voltage levels)....most I think will do fine and then if it is actually an issue you can use a bump box like I mentioned before.

 

[Sipos88]

Thank you for your input!
Ill do some research and ill purchase one.
Now it seems like i would want the 7702 Marantz. The first edition..


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[lovinthehd]

Thank you for your input!
Ill do some research and ill purchase one.
Now it seems like i would want the 7702 Marantz. The first edition..


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It's an often overstated problem in matching pre to amp but good to know the specifics, but that's not always easy said as done. Might want to check the avr/pre manual specs before purchasing, but sometimes the information posted is not helpful even something as simple as a spec on the pre-out level (often doesn't even refer to something as basic as nominal or max).

Why not the 7702 mk2? Doesn't that have worthy improvements?

 

[Sipos88]

It's an often overstated problem in matching pre to amp but good to know the specifics, but that's not always easy said as done. Might want to check the avr/pre manual specs before purchasing, but sometimes the information posted is not helpful even something as simple as a spec on the pre-out level (often doesn't even refer to something as basic as nominal or max).

Why not the 7702 mk2? Doesn't that have worthy improvements?

I would use too much of it for 2-3 years bc ill move a lot from rent to rent due job.. I wont have ceiling speakers yet eaither.. Than in 3 years when i move to my final home, i can buy an up to date abr..

 

[PENG]

Regarding the preout voltage ratings, instead of guessing, let's refer to the AH's wealth of lab measurement data. I thought I posted at least one the links below for the OP but may be he missed so here it is again:

https://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/denon-avr-x5200w/measurements

and below is direct quote (also posted for OP before IIRC):

"The AVR-X5200W has plenty of grunt via the preamp outputs to use in conjunction with virtually any separate amplifier should you desire more power. I measured unclipped output of 4.5Vrms from every channel. We like to see at least 2Vrms and the Denon met this with over 6db of margin to spare."

From what I can remember, every Denon and Marantz AVR Gene measured before, showed unclipped preout voltages of >2Vrms. If I remember right, with few exceptions, Yamaha's also exceeded 2V rms in AH's lab measurements, though Yamaha typically specify 1V in their manuals, vs D&M's 1.2V.

The thing is, for comparison (between AVRs) purposes, you cannot just go by the data sheet numbers because when they tell you 1 or 1.2V, we don't know under what conditions. They could mean the voltage required to drive their internal amps to rated output, but then I don't want to guess. I wish manufacturers have to follow the same standard in specifying pre-outs ratings but that's my wishful thinking.

 

[Sipos88]

Regarding the preout voltage ratings, instead of guessing, let's refer to the AH's wealth of lab measurement data. I thought I posted at least one the links below for the OP but may be he missed so here it is again:

https://www.audioholics.com/av-receiver-reviews/denon-avr-x5200w/measurements

and below is direct quote (also posted for OP before IIRC):

"The AVR-X5200W has plenty of grunt via the preamp outputs to use in conjunction with virtually any separate amplifier should you desire more power. I measured unclipped output of 4.5Vrms from every channel. We like to see at least 2Vrms and the Denon met this with over 6db of margin to spare."

From what I can remember, every Denon and Marantz AVR Gene measured before, showed unclipped preout voltages of >2Vrms. If I remember right, with few exceptions, Yamaha's also exceeded 2V rms in AH's lab measurements, though Yamaha typically specify 1V in their manuals, vs D&M's 1.2V.

The thing is, for comparison (between AVRs) purposes, you cannot just go by the data sheet numbers because when they tell you 1 or 1.2V, we don't know under what conditions. They could mean the voltage required to drive their internal amps to rated output, but then I don't want to guess.

Makes sense. I definitely missed the link.
Ill read it this afternoon.
Great to get so valuable help from people!
Thank you

 

[Sipos88]

Hi guys. Did anyone do a measurement on the Rz800 or rz900 to the pre/out voltage by any chance? Onkyo says its 1.2V.. But I was wondering if anyone has a more specific result. Thanks


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