Thanks for all the help guys, I plan on getting the ascend acoustics 5.1 system with the cmt 340 SE for my fronts, I plan on pairing them with the hsu VTF3-mk5 hp sub, my room is not all that big, standard size 19x14x8, sitting distance from the fronts are about 7ft, although on a few occasions I will use the system for parties so I do want to have some extra power capabilities, I want to be able to crank up the volume and have crisp clear high-quality sound, whether the receiver is refurbished or not is no big deal to me as long as it's quality and the reason for my upgrade is that the current receiver I have now is an older Harman Kardin AVR 125 that does not support HDMI so I am using the capability of things like Dolby true HD, thanks for the input guys and I look forward to hearing from you again