BIG BASS .......

[nicknewbie]

I currently have the svs-sb2000 sub and it is "ok", but not quite what I am looking for. I want something that the neighbors next door will feel....I intend on using the sub for music listening only....I have a budget between $1500 and $2000....I have a denon avr-x4100w receiver and I am wondering if these subs with xlr or RCA outputs can be paired with this receiver??thank you

 

[fmw]

I think you've been through this before in another thread.

 

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I currently have the svs-sb2000 sub and it is "ok", but not quite what I am looking for. I want something that the neighbors next door will feel....I intend on using the sub for music listening only....I have a budget between $1500 and $2000....I have a denon avr-x4100w receiver and I am wondering if these subs with xlr or RCA outputs can be paired with this receiver??thank you

Dont worry about connections on a powered sub, there are adapters if needed. Get the JTR previously linked to you it meets all of your listening needs and can take most anything you throw at it without flinching. look at some of the systems here

http://www.data-bass.com/systems


for those whom havent followed:

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/blown-tweeters.96990/

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/which-speakers-from-crutchfield-would-you-get.96993/

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/does-speaker-wire-size-matter.96999/

http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/threads/does-double-the-speakers-equal-double-the-volume.97010/

 

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[shadyJ]

At $2k, I would be looking at either this, this, this, or this. They will all blow away the SVS sub, to put it mildly.

 

[tyhjaarpa]

Do I smell a troll? Each time questions are answered in hes old topic yet he keeps making new topic every time to make more fuss.

 

[nicknewbie]

Do I smell a troll? Each time questions are answered in hes old topic yet he keeps making new topic every time to make more fuss.

why you worried about what I am doing or saying clown...? you must be lonely ,...you spending your time responding to my thread that tells me that you are very very lonely,....they have lonely heart chat rooms for people like you

 

[nicknewbie]

At $2k, I would be looking at either this, this, this, or this. They will all blow away the SVS sub, to put it mildly.

just found out that reaction audio is a 15 minute drive from my house,.....cant wait until tomorrow so I can go possible hear these subs up close and in person.....thanks shadyj,...by the way, which would be your choice out of the 4 your suggested, just curious?

 

[shadyJ]

just found out that reaction audio is a 15 minute drive from my house,.....cant wait until tomorrow so I can go possible hear these subs up close and in person.....thanks shadyj,...by the way, which would be your choice out of the 4 your suggested, just curious?

make sure you call Jeremy (who runs Reaction) up before you drop by. It isn't the kind of business that has a demo room, but Jeremy may be able accommodate a demo if you schedule an appointment. From the subs I listed, its tough to say. I really like the Hsu subs, but they probably will not get as loud as the Reaction subs. However, the two Hsu subs will give you a flatter response than a single Reaction sub. On the other hand, you can get two Reaction Echo 15s and achieve the same thing. I would stick with Reaction if I were you, since you live so close. It will be easier for you to get the subs services when you inevitably overdrive the woofer. Anyway, give Jeremy a call to set up an appointment, and tell him shadyJ sent you: that won't earn you a discount, but it might get you a high five!

 

[nicknewbie]

make sure you call Jeremy (who runs Reaction) up before you drop by. It isn't the kind of business that has a demo room, but Jeremy may be able accommodate a demo if you schedule an appointment. From the subs I listed, its tough to say. I really like the Hsu subs, but they probably will not get as loud as the Reaction subs. However, the two Hsu subs will give you a flatter response than a single Reaction sub. On the other hand, you can get two Reaction Echo 15s and achieve the same thing. I would stick with Reaction if I were you, since you live so close. It will be easier for you to get the subs services when you inevitably overdrive the woofer. Anyway, give Jeremy a call to set up an appointment, and tell him shadyJ sent you: that won't earn you a discount, but it might get you a high five!

are you on the gulf coast also shadyj...?

 

[shadyJ]

Nope, midwesterner.

 

[Irvrobinson]

Actually, for music only, with your propensity for wanting very high sound levels, I'd consider this:

http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-JBL-PRX718XLF?src=Y0802G00SRCHCAPN&gclid=CjwKEAiA1o-zBRDomsWasvKh4S8SJADSlZkq0BPMcGuApD8yUpEQf4saGENh4nKVLW--HOvpU7FlnhoCT4_w_wcB

The JBL PRX718XLF 18 Inch 1500 Watt Powered PA Subwoofer. 130db at 35Hz, and it's indestructible. Even you can't hurt this sub. My wife played in a band that used them, and two of them energized a large-sized bar. A bit industrial-looking, but if you want power for a price, home subs in this price range don't really compare.

 

[nicknewbie]

Actually, for music only, with your propensity for wanting very high sound levels, I'd consider this:

http://www.americanmusical.com/Item--i-JBL-PRX718XLF?src=Y0802G00SRCHCAPN&gclid=CjwKEAiA1o-zBRDomsWasvKh4S8SJADSlZkq0BPMcGuApD8yUpEQf4saGENh4nKVLW--HOvpU7FlnhoCT4_w_wcB

The JBL PRX718XLF 18 Inch 1500 Watt Powered PA Subwoofer. 130db at 35Hz, and it's indestructible. Even you can't hurt this sub. My wife played in a band that used them, and two of them energized a large-sized bar. A bit industrial-looking, but if you want power for a price, home subs in this price range don't really compare.

thanks for your reply , just have one question? can you explain what frequency response means? the sub I have goes down to 19 hz, the one you suggested says it goes down to 30 hz..???

 

[Irvrobinson]

thanks for your reply , just have one question? can you explain what frequency response means? the sub I have goes down to 19 hz, the one you suggested says it goes down to 30 hz..???

The lowest frequencies in acoustic music are about 40Hz, and even a grand piano doesn't have much below 30Hz in sub-harmonics. Sub-30Hz sound is generally the realm of action movies and subharmonic synthesizers, but you said you did all music listening, so I'm not sure if one of these home theater super subs Shady is pointing you to is the right answer. Two of these JBL monsters will probably get you complaint calls from Argentina.

 

[TLS Guy]

I think you need to educate yourself a bit more before you spend more money.

A good sub will only shake the floor if the program has frequencies in the range that will shake a floor. Most music does not. In the pop world only synths get this low or pop music where equipment can shift the fundamental of a bass guitar say.

Only very large pipe organs with big 32 ft organ pipes actually shake the floor. They do this even at low volume.

A large bass drum that is hit hard will shake the floor a bit.

The music you listed in your preferences will not include instruments with floor shaking bass.

Movies are a different matter. They use the LFE channel for deep sound effects, and also recorded sounds such as the eighteenth century canon recorded for Master and Commander.

The Sound track of Interstellar used sound effects and the Harrison and Harrison pipe organ at Temple Church at the Inns of Court London.

This is the huge 32 ft stop case, and that shakes everything when the organist Roger Sayer calls on it.

Now that is big bass! I took these pictures and heard the organ at Temple Church during my nieces weeding this last March.

She chose an organ transcription of the Finale of Stravinsky's Firebird Suite for her processional. As she reached the alter, that was what you call loud and shook everything.

That was the most dramatic and impressive wedding processional I have ever heard by far.

That instrument also shakes the floor here when I play recordings of the instrument and it does not have to be loud to shake the floor. That 32ft stop engaged even softly sends everything vibrating.

The point is that your source has to have floor shaking material. As far as I can tell your choice in music does not.

 

[Irvrobinson]

TLS Guy's post tends to support my notion that the 30-40Hz range is where you'll find the most impact for bass response. I don't completely agree with TLS Guy, lots of rock and pop music uses synthesizers, but clean, loud 30Hz bass is pretty damned impressive in music.

 

[KenM10759]

I think you need to educate yourself a bit more before you spend more money.

A good sub will only shake the floor if the program has frequencies in the range that will shake a floor. Most music does not. In the pop world only synths get this low or pop music where equipment can shift the fundamental of a bass guitar say.

Only very large pipe organs with big 32 ft organ pipes actually shake the floor. They do this even at low volume.

A large bass drum that is hit hard will shake the floor a bit.

The music you listed in your preferences will not include instruments with floor shaking bass.

Movies are a different matter. They use the LFE channel for deep sound effects, and also recorded sounds such as the eighteenth century canon recorded for Master and Commander.

The Sound track of Interstellar used sound effects and the Harrison and Harrison pipe organ at Temple Church at the Inns of Court London.

This is the huge 32 ft stop case, and that shakes everything when the organist Roger Sayer calls on it.

Now that is big bass! I took these pictures and heard the organ at Temple Church during my nieces weeding this last March.

She chose an organ transcription of the Finale of Stravinsky's Firebird Suite for her processional. As she reached the alter, that was what you call loud and shook everything.

That was the most dramatic and impressive wedding processional I have ever heard by far.

That instrument also shakes the floor here when I play recordings of the instrument and it does not have to be loud to shake the floor. That 32ft stop engaged even softly sends everything vibrating.

The point is that your source has to have floor shaking material. As far as I can tell your choice in music does not.

What a great story! I've been in some of the more grand churches up here in New England that have huge organ pipe arrays, though none seem to compare to the Hook & Hastings organ installed in 1864 at Mechanics Hall in Worcester. Free show coming up next week where the restored masterpiece will get a chance to breathe deeply again. Check the panoramic photo. Not many have a true "woodwind" section.

http://www.mechanicshall.org/eventbooking/hook.html

 

[nicknewbie]

I think you need to educate yourself a bit more before you spend more money.

A good sub will only shake the floor if the program has frequencies in the range that will shake a floor. Most music does not. In the pop world only synths get this low or pop music where equipment can shift the fundamental of a bass guitar say.

Only very large pipe organs with big 32 ft organ pipes actually shake the floor. They do this even at low volume.

A large bass drum that is hit hard will shake the floor a bit.

The music you listed in your preferences will not include instruments with floor shaking bass.

Movies are a different matter. They use the LFE channel for deep sound effects, and also recorded sounds such as the eighteenth century canon recorded for Master and Commander.

The Sound track of Interstellar used sound effects and the Harrison and Harrison pipe organ at Temple Church at the Inns of Court London.very well timed response,....I just got my ears hurt a lil by my small svs-sb-2000, and I now have a lil more respect for it....I listened to a bass test on you tube called deepest bass and it finally shook the walls and made my ears hurt a little.. I now have to rethink getting a larger sub as my walls were truly vibrating as were my ear drums...!!! aha,...success at last...The klipsch are holding up fine so far, haven't had them past 80 on the volume "yet" but am very much tempted to do so. They are screaming at 80 but seem to have more to offer, I cant imagine what a true high end pair of towers sound like in a 3000 cu.ft. room....maybe one day I will get the chance to hear some. thanks Irv for all your input. and the photos are spectacular, have to put that visit on my bucket list...

This is the huge 32 ft stop case, and that shakes everything when the organist Roger Sayer calls on it.

Now that is big bass! I took these pictures and heard the organ at Temple Church during my nieces weeding this last March.

She chose an organ transcription of the Finale of Stravinsky's Firebird Suite for her processional. As she reached the alter, that was what you call loud and shook everything.

That was the most dramatic and impressive wedding processional I have ever heard by far.

That instrument also shakes the floor here when I play recordings of the instrument and it does not have to be loud to shake the floor. That 32ft stop engaged even softly sends everything vibrating.

The point is that your source has to have floor shaking material. As far as I can tell your choice in music does not.

 

[nicknewbie]

The lowest frequencies in acoustic music are about 40Hz, and even a grand piano doesn't have much below 30Hz in sub-harmonics. Sub-30Hz sound is generally the realm of action movies and subharmonic synthesizers, but you said you did all music listening, so I'm not sure if one of these home theater super subs Shady is pointing you to is the right answer. Two of these JBL monsters will probably get you complaint calls from Argentina.

The lowest frequencies in acoustic music are about 40Hz, and even a grand piano doesn't have much below 30Hz in sub-harmonics. Sub-30Hz sound is generally the realm of action movies and subharmonic synthesizers, but you said you did all music listening, so I'm not sure if one of these home theater super subs Shady is pointing you to is the right answer. Two of these JBL monsters will probably get you complaint calls from Argentina.

thanks Irv ,....I needed that....you made me laugh out loud when I read this reply....that's good stuff man,....still smiling

 

[TLS Guy]

TLS Guy's post tends to support my notion that the 30-40Hz range is where you'll find the most impact for bass response. I don't completely agree with TLS Guy, lots of rock and pop music uses synthesizers, but clean, loud 30Hz bass is pretty damned impressive in music.

Yes, and 16 Hz from a big pipe organ is even more impressive!