Ok thank you for taking the time to respond. I will experiment with the sub crossed over at 60 and 80 Hz, I have tried 40 hz and did not like that at all. I have heard people say they have heard dialogue in the sub at 80hz, I just thought that can't be can it ? I would think something else has to be going on there. Does any voice go down to 80HZ ? I was looking at my center RC -64ii and It goes down to 59 hZ, so do you think sending that a 60hz signal would be too much? Same with the surrounds those are 50 hz, so I thought both the surrounds and center might be better at 80HZ? Again thank you for responding and have a great 4th of July Gene.