Inexpensive options for Dynamic EQ (or equivalent)?

[KEW]

I am looking for inexpensive receiver options.

The minimum I am after is a loudness contour feature like Audyssey Dynamic EQ and bass management.

Some related questions:
1) Does Yamaha or Pioneer offer a feature similar to Dynamic EQ?
2) Is Dynamic EQ only available on receivers having some flavor of autoEQ?
3) Is this feature on any stereo receivers?

It would be nice if Emotiva or Outlaw made a compact integrated amp or receiver which had basic sub management and Dynamic EQ

 

[fuzz092888]

What's inexpensive?

 

[rojo]

How about a Denon AVR-X1100 from A4L for $250 + shipping? It's got Dynamic EQ.

If you need pre outs, you'll have to budget $420 (shipped free) on a Marantz SR5008.

If you're within driving distance of Columbia SC you should contact this cat and ask what model of Marantz receiver that is. It appears to be a 7000-something series from the blurry sasquatch photo. Looks potentially like a steal if it's not 20 years old. Not sure the seller knows what he has.

 

[ski2xblack]

One of those slim profile Marantz AVRs may be just the ticket: bass management; Audyssey, so I assume they have dynamicEQ but not positive; kinda smallish; not expensive.

 

[agarwalro]

I am looking for inexpensive receiver options.

The minimum I am after is a loudness contour feature like Audyssey Dynamic EQ and bass management.

Some related questions:
1) Does Yamaha or Pioneer offer a feature similar to Dynamic EQ?
2) Is Dynamic EQ only available on receivers having some flavor of autoEQ?
3) Is this feature on any stereo receivers?

I just confirmed on the X4000, Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume can be On with Audyssey Room Correction Off. I suspect this will be true for any receiver offering Dynamic EQ. If so, the Denon E300 would be the among the cheapest at A4L $200 + shipping.

I'm positive Yamaha and Pioneer have something similar, but, I'm not familiar with their marketing names for it.

It would be nice if Emotiva or Outlaw made a compact integrated amp or receiver which had basic sub management and Dynamic EQ

"Old school" Loudness automatically changing based on Master Volume = Dynamic EQ. So, any old integrated amp with a Loudness knob gives the same effect. One just has to manually adjust the Loudness level according to the Master Volume.

I cannot think of any Integrated or Stereo receiver that does bass management. Some have a subwoofer out port, but this is most likely just a L+R summed mono. So, not true bass management, rather, bolstering the Mains which get full range signal any which way.

 

[TheWarrior]

Just like my DAC set up. The subs are getting the same signal as the speakers. But what kind of bass management is available for stereo, or even PCM? I've not heard of this.

 

[TheWarrior]

Oh wait, I get it. Is this for your daughter to take the EOS to college? Wouldn't waste the money, just find a used 5/7 ch receiver that was built preferably with in this century.

 

[KEW]

I should have said least expensive.

Not asking for my daughter as much as wanting to set up a BR stereo in my house. I probably will end up with Denon from A4L, but would like to have the look of stereo components for this system. Also wanting to see if any company was recognizing the popularity of Dynamic EQ. I think it is there by default on any current receiver offering any flavor of Audyssey EQ, but I would think Dynamic EQ could be much cheaper than MultEQ if Audyssey will allow it to be sold separately.

The Yamaha AS301 to AS 701 offer the loudness (Yamaha is the only mainstream company to offer loudness knob AFAIK) and have a DAC, but I don't believe the bass is managed.

 

[rojo]

Marantz NR1403. It's slimline, so it more closely resembles the traditional look of stereo components. It includes Audyssey Bronze (which does happen to include Dynamic EQ), and it's not much more than the Denon AVR-E300. It even has 2.1 pre-outs in case you want to upgrade the power from its built-in 50wpc later.

If you're penny pinching, the previous year's NR1402 is available used on Amazon for $216 shipped.

Not sure what the difference is. This page claims the 1402 is capable of performing as a preamp for 7.1 (whereas the 1403 is not), but pics of the rear panel seem to disagree.

 

[3db]

I am looking for inexpensive receiver options.

The minimum I am after is a loudness contour feature like Audyssey Dynamic EQ and bass management.

Some related questions:
1) Does Yamaha or Pioneer offer a feature similar to Dynamic EQ?
2) Is Dynamic EQ only available on receivers having some flavor of autoEQ?
3) Is this feature on any stereo receivers?

It would be nice if Emotiva or Outlaw made a compact integrated amp or receiver which had basic sub management and Dynamic EQ

The new Advantage line offers Dynamic EQ in their YPAO flavour but they won't be cheap as they are just coming out

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I just confirmed on the X4000, Dynamic EQ and Dynamic Volume can be On with Audyssey Room Correction Off.

I think you have to set the AVR up for MCH like 5.1. I don't think it works if you only set it up as 2.0 or 2.1.

Then you can use Audyssey Bypass L/R + Dynamic EQ.

This is how I roll.

 

[rojo]

@KEW -- vaguely related, if you're near Atlanta there's an estate sale going on this weekend where you might find some treasures. I saw a nice looking Yamaha receiver in the pictures (but no Marantz, contrary to claims otherwise). I bet your s.o. could find some treasures as well.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I'm positive Yamaha and Pioneer have something similar, but, I'm not familiar with their marketing names for it.

"Old school" Loudness automatically changing based on Master Volume = Dynamic EQ. So, any old integrated amp with a Loudness knob gives the same effect. One just has to manually adjust the Loudness level according to the Master Volume.

I believe most AVRs have something similar to Dynamic VOLUME, which to me is similar to the LOUDNESS knob, which is dynamic compression that boosts the low volume up and cuts back on the high peaks.

I don't think Audyssey Dynamic EQ is the same as "Loudness Knob".

I think what you are talking about is Audyssey Dynamic VOLUME.

Per measurement graphs, I think Audyssey Dynamic EQ ostensibly boosts the bass level below 200Hz, but doesn't do much above 200Hz.

 

[rojo]

Dynamic EQ is sort of like a loudness knob, boosting bass and treble at low volumes and flattening toward reference. Dynamic Volume = dynamic compression.

* More details on Dynamic EQ.
* Information on the psychoacoustics behind Dynamic EQ.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

Dynamic EQ is sort of like a loudness knob, boosting bass and treble at low volumes and flattening toward reference. Dynamic Volume = dynamic compression.

Here is a graph of Audyssey DEQ on (top purple) vs off (bottom green):



The slight treble boost is probably above 10kHz, which is usually not apparent or audible to me.

The major boost is in the bass is from 20Hz-150Hz.

For movies I listen to 80-100dB volume. So DEQ doesn't just boost bass at low volumes for me. It boosts the bass even at full volume for me.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

@KEW -- vaguely related, if you're near Atlanta there's an estate sale going on this weekend where you might find some treasures. I saw a nice looking Yamaha receiver in the pictures (but no Marantz, contrary to claims otherwise). I bet your s.o. could find some treasures as well.

I am curious to which speakers are there - look like maggies to me

p.s: That leopard print shag carpet is hurting my eyes

 

[rojo]

Here is a graph of Audyssey DEQ on (top purple) vs off (bottom green):



The slight treble boost is above 10kHz, which is usually not apparent or audible to me.

The major boost is in the bass is from 20Hz-150Hz.

For movies I listen to 80-100dB volume. So DEQ doesn't just boost bass at low volumes for me. It boosts the bass even at full volume for me.

You can configure the offset as well, and you might be interested in playing with that setting. My Marantz lets me choose between an offset of 0dB (default), -5dB, -10dB, and -15dB. The farther away from 0dB you set it, the less profound the boost will be at lower volumes. Or I think more specifically, the boost provided by DEQ diminishes to flat at either reference volume, 5dB below, 10dB below, or 15dB below based on the offset setting.

 

[KEW]

I think you have to set the AVR up for MCH like 5.1. I don't think it works if you only set it up as 2.0 or 2.1.

Are you sure about that?
I don't see why designers would make it dependent on MCH.

 

[KEW]

I believe most AVRs have something similar to Dynamic VOLUME, which to me is similar to the LOUDNESS knob, which is dynamic compression that boosts the low volume up and cuts back on the high peaks.

I don't think Audyssey Dynamic EQ is the same as "Loudness Knob".

I think what you are talking about is Audyssey Dynamic VOLUME.

I absolutely disagree with this.

 

[KEW]

I am curious to which speakers are there - look like maggies to me

p.s: That leopard print shag carpet is hurting my eyes

They are Klipsch. The resolution is high enough to see, but you have to be willing to suffer the leopard print to read it. Now I have a headache!