Windows 10 – Upgrade?

BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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yea... about debian updates - they are great, except using other repositories, this is how this process completely broke my ZFS on Linux. Luckily Freebsd based Freenas was able to import the zfs volume without any issues. thank you Freenas and xisystems.

Back to windows updates - I honestly think that OS X Yosemite are not any better. Require apple ID login, some do require reboot etc...

With that said - Windows 8 start screen is THE worst thing MS done after Windows ME, yet I'm typing right now on Win 8.1 PC. Still hate the start screen, but otherwise it's not bad. Faster and more reliable.
Multiscreen support is definitely better
 
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Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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Back to windows updates - I honestly think that OS X Yosemite are not any better. Require apple ID login, some do require reboot etc...


No way. Not even close. I'm typing this on a Mac, and the user experience is so much better.

I find it interesting that I was just at what is essentially a supercomputing storage conference, and I remarked to a colleague that as I looked around the room the
MacBooks out numbered the PCs by about 10:1. I actually had to look pretty hard to find some PCs. Interesting that most government lab supercomputing types choose a Mac, eh?
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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No way. Not even close. I'm typing this on a Mac, and the user experience is so much better.

I find it interesting that I was just at what is essentially a supercomputing storage conference, and I remarked to a colleague that as I looked around the room the
MacBooks out numbered the PCs by about 10:1. I actually had to look pretty hard to find some PCs. Interesting that most government lab supercomputing types choose a Mac, eh?
For god forsaken reason why people like Macs. Ok - I get great industrial design and premium materials,but I just don't get OS X. Sorry, not for me. Wife is using Macbook Air, I got for free mac mini to use as surveillance server - it has nice 4 cores i7 circa 2012 and an ssd,

That all said Mac would never be my main home or work machines as long as I have a choice on the matter. No freaking way I could effectively do my work without a windows running PC.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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For god forsaken reason why people like Macs. Ok - I get great industrial design and premium materials,but I just don't get OS X. Sorry, not for me. Wife is using Macbook Air, I got for free mac mini to use as surveillance server - it has nice 4 cores i7 circa 2012 and an ssd,

That all said Mac would never be my main home or work machines as long as I have a choice on the matter. No freaking way I could effectively do my work without a windows running PC.
I respect your preferences because they are your preferences, and yours are as valid as mine or anyone else's. What I took issue with is the statement that OS X updates are as bad as those for Windows. I use Win7 at the office, I have an 8.1 laptop for automotive FW apps, and we have two OS X machines, both HDD systems, and there's no way the Mac updates or the background scanning processes are anywhere near as annoying.

There is one thing that makes me crazy about the Mac... MS Office for Macs is not exactly compatible with Office apps on Windows. If I work on a Word doc, for example, on the Mac and then send it to the Win7 machine for work the formatting and fonts aren't quite the same. The Windows version is better, no surprise.
 
rojo

rojo

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Macs are tools, as are Windows PC's, as are Linux PC's, as are BSD machines, as are VMS servers and so on. Sometimes a Mac is indeed the best tool for a particular job. iMovie beats the pants off of Windows Movie Maker, for example.

Having said that, Macs in the enterprise are a pain in my rear. Most Mac users think along the same lines. "It's easy." Except it isn't.

Many of the Mac users I support think that clicking the red dot closes the program. No, it doesn't. It only hides the window while the program continues in the background. This is bad when, for example, a user makes a change to the Java settings in System Preferences (adding addresses to the security exceptions list, enabling SSL 2.0 compatible ClientHello format, etc.), but the changes haven't propagated to the browser the user thought he closed.

Also, as clients interacting with MS Exchange, Macs are a big time sink. Every time a user's domain password expires and he has to reset it, I often have to address two or three subsequent requests to unlock the domain account. Mac Outlook refuses to accept the updated credentials for anyone except Huck from Scandal without a reboot. Same goes for SMB share authenticated sessions.

And because Apple seems to be competing with Microsoft for who can produce the worst web browser, OS X ships with Safari. Hello? Last decade called and wants its browser back.

Think Macs are immune to malware? I've had to clean nefarious extensions out of Chrome and Firefox on more Macs than I can remember. OS X is not a vaccine against the sewers of the Web as some users believe.

Anyway, it seems to me that Mac users tend to have a false perception that using a Mac is a suitable substitute for technological proficiency. Not all of them, not by any means. But there are many who chose a Mac as their office workstation because they expected less learning and fewer problems.

Oh, it fills my heart with joy when I hear the realization hit that they've just exchanged one set of problems for another. Except now they're stuck with a machine on which they had to compromise on the software they can run. Don't delude yourself. If it's got tech or tires, it'll give you problems. [/rant]
 
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haraldo

haraldo

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Multidisplay support is quite good, but still lagging somewhat; I am using triple displays on a Dell XPS 15 with win 8.1, one of them is the laptop itself... as it has such a great display.... it works well as long as it's set up but there are some scaling issues

Because the laptop display is 4K and main monitors only full hd, windows scales fonts and windows incorrectly, but rebooting into the correct h/w setup seem to sort it, some room for improvement here.

I would say that I'm quite surprised that multidisplay support is not working flawlessly yet in windows.... although, it may be that this is not a windows problem but a Dell issue. Maybe the XPS 15 is too bleeding edge?

Generally, I reckon multidisplay support is best when all displays share the same geometry and resolution :p
 
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haraldo

haraldo

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Main problem with windows is that it's just too high maintenance

I do have a HP Chromebook 11, and I love it for it's simplicity and ease of use, absolute instant on, no maintenance at all whatsoever, for web browsing, writing simple documents, even watching HD movies it works ... but without Internet it's dumb as a brick
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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Windows high res scalling is still behind mac, but improving. Hopefully win10 should do big step up. Both ie11 and safari are not shining to say the least compared to chrome, but at least win10 browser edge should be step in right direction.
Irv, I have no idea what your personal grudge with windows updates, but I welcome more proactive security updates system, even if I'm forced to restart my pc at end of the day.
I agree with Haraldo, every platform has it's strong and weak points, but I rather stick with the devil I know rather well.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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Gave my ma hp chromebook 14 (intel based). Best decision i ever made. Zero maintenance (it updates by itself), pretty in white and most importantly just works
 
haraldo

haraldo

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Microsoft is doing many really good things these days, and despite the hazzle with some of the aspects of the platform, Windows is the most mainstream platform these days, it's the only OS that goes from your pocket to the datacenter .... IMHO Microsoft is making a big step up with the new unified platform and Windows 10, but it's not the answer to everything
 
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herbu

Audioholic Samurai
Interesting show on the NTGEO channel called, "American Genius". One episode was about Gates and Jobs. Really interesting dynamic between the two of them. Didn't realize Gates bailed out Apple w/ $150M at the request of Jobs. Prevented sure bankruptcy. Good show.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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Irv, I have no idea what your personal grudge with windows updates, but I welcome more proactive security updates system, even if I'm forced to restart my pc at end of the day.
It takes a long time with HDD systems, it requires restarts, it happens often, when it's scanning or downloading system response is slow due to poor OS multitasking performance. Even my i7 / SSD / Win7 corporate laptop is annoying with repeated updates and restarts.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

Audioholic Slumlord
HDD should only be used for large capacity storage.
SSD or atleast SSD cache should be used for everything else.
Windows on HDD is so slow in comparison to decent ssd, and nowadays decent ssds are cheap (relatively to few years ago)
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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HDD should only be used for large capacity storage.
SSD or atleast SSD cache should be used for everything else.
Windows on HDD is so slow in comparison to decent ssd, and nowadays decent ssds are cheap (relatively to few years ago)
Yes, I know, but OS X works great on HDD systems, but not Windows.
 
Irvrobinson

Irvrobinson

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This one probably should go into Guinness book of records as most overreachingly vague incorrect statement.
Oh probably, but in a book of world records? Don't you have anything better to do than argue with me?
 
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rnatalli

Audioholic Ninja
I've been getting my notifications for Windows 10. I haven't been a fan or used MS products other than Office in over 15 years so mainly a Mac, Linux, and Android house. That said, I really like the direction Microsoft is going and never thought I'd have confidence in them again, but I do.
 
BoredSysAdmin

BoredSysAdmin

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Balmer years have been terrible for MS. Glad he's gone and Microsoft finally turning the ship around. Problem is it's a huge ship and it'll take a while to turn
 

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