Need an amp the goes to a wall outlet.

[delaneygottron]

Im planning on getting car subs. They are 2x Rockford Fosgate p1s4-12 subs. Each put out 250 watt rms each and 500 watts peak. If im gonna get 2 of them what kind of amp should i get i also want an amp that can plug into a wall outlet. Im new to this stuff and looking for some help. I have a denon receiver aswell in case it matters.

 

[delaneygottron]

Im planning on going with car subs untill i get a car also im just a 15 year old teen looking for more bass. I also have two aperion audio towers so...... just need thise subs and an amp. Thanks.

 

[delaneygottron]

Aslo would i be better off getting the 4ohm or 2ohm version of the subs. Whats the difference? If i want bass but still want to hear my music well.

 

[Seth=L]

Please don't start multiple threads for the same topic.

 

[delaneygottron]

Please don't start multiple threads for the same topic.

I just need an answer. Honestly though if I really dont want another home theater sub. Whats wrong with going through the hassel of getting dual rockford 12" subs and trying to find an amp to go into a wall outlet that fits my wattage?

 

[slipperybidness]

Here you go. Here's an amp that fits your requirement of "plugging into a wall"

https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-100

Done.

Now, you gotta figure out how you are going to implement bass management.

 

[markw]

Aslo would i be better off getting the 4ohm or 2ohm version of the subs. Whats the difference? If i want bass but still want to hear my music well.

Those subs are designed to work with car amps, not home amps. Big differences in the design there. Something you might want to consider.

And, speakers don't "put out" watts. They absorb them.

People here are actually trying to help you but you seem to be fighting it.

 

[delaneygottron]

Those subs are designed to work with car amps, not home amps. Big differences in the design there. Something you might want to consider.

And, speakers don't "put out" watts. They absorb them.

People here are actually trying to help you but you seem to be fighting it.

I apologize. Im just kinda frustrated. What kind of consequences will I deal with running a home amp with car subs?

 

[delaneygottron]

Here you go. Here's an amp that fits your requirement of "plugging into a wall"

https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/xpa-100

Done.

Now, you gotta figure out how you are going to implement bass management.

What do you mean by bass managment? Ampage?

 

[slipperybidness]

What do you mean by bass managment? Ampage?

Yeah....that was my point.....you are in over your head....you are headed towards a bad first-time experience in this hobby.

People are trying to help, and you have come to the right place to get good advice, but you seem too stubborn to actually take the advice that is being given.

How about this:

*What do you currently have in home?
*How much $ do you have to spend?
*What is your end goal?

 

[markw]

I apologize. Im just kinda frustrated. What kind of consequences will I deal with running a home amp with car subs?

First off, they don't like low impedances.

 

[delaneygottron]

Yeah....that was my point.....you are in over your head....you are headed towards a bad first-time experience in this hobby.

People are trying to help, and you have come to the right place to get good advice, but you seem too stubborn to actually take the advice that is being given.

How about this:

*What do you currently have in home?
*How much $ do you have to spend?
*What is your end goal?

I have a denon receiver, two aperion audio towers, a aperion s10 (10in sub) and i have a stupid worthless $500 dollar bookshelf sony speaker system that im going to return. I will have the money from that return ($500) plus cash out of my pocket like 300 bucks but im not looking to spend all of it on audio. My end goal is a lot of bass (my entire house vibrating) but also good quality. Is that a little better sorry for my stubbornness.

 

[markw]

I just need an answer. Honestly though if I really dont want another home theater sub. Whats wrong with going through the hassel of getting dual rockford 12" subs and trying to find an amp to go into a wall outlet that fits my wattage?

Secondly, you don't NEED an answer. You WANT an answer and you want it NOW. You think your desires outweigh the social norms of this forum.

Third, you may not be getting the answers you what, but you're getting the best answers to your question.

And, finally, being young is no excuse for rudeness. There are other young people here who know how to play by the rules and are grateful for the sage advice they are given.

 

[slipperybidness]

I have a denon receiver, two aperion audio towers, a aperion s10 (10in sub) and i have a stupid worthless $500 dollar bookshelf sony speaker system that im going to return. I will have the money from that return ($500) plus cash out of my pocket like 300 bucks but im not looking to spend all of it on audio. My end goal is a lot of bass (my entire house vibrating) but also good quality. Is that a little better sorry for my stubbornness.

Well, now we are making some progress!!!

So, you already have a pretty dang good start! You're better off than anyone else your age! You also have enough sense to realize that the Sony system sucks and you found a good place for advice!

Here's the deal: Car subs in car sub boxes are pretty much just meant for your car, and are tuned for your car.

Car subs CAN be used in a home setting, but you need to build a box tuned for that purpose! Not too long ago, there were a whole bunch of people on here using the Infinity Reference Series Car Subs for HT sub builds, and the results looked pretty dang good for the price! I had 2 of those many years ago in my car, but I sold them before I realized the plans were readily available to go the HT route.

I will say that RF makes some very fine car audio subwoofers!

Honestly, I don't have a great solution for you. But now that we are making some progress, one of the other guys on here might.

Any chance you have access to wood working tools and have any wood working skill or desire to learn?

 

[delaneygottron]

Well, now we are making some progress!!!

So, you already have a pretty dang good start! You're better off than anyone else your age! You also have enough sense to realize that the Sony system sucks and you found a good place for advice!

Here's the deal: Car subs in car sub boxes are pretty much just meant for your car, and are tuned for your car.

Car subs CAN be used in a home setting, but you need to build a box tuned for that purpose! Not too long ago, there were a whole bunch of people on here using the Infinity Reference Series Car Subs for HT sub builds, and the results looked pretty dang good for the price! I had 2 of those many years ago in my car, but I sold them before I realized the plans were readily available to go the HT route.

I will say that RF makes some very fine car audio subwoofers!

Honestly, I don't have a great solution for you. But now that we are making some progress, one of the other guys on here might.

Any chance you have access to wood working tools and have any wood working skill or desire to learn?

I do have good woodworking skills but just the workshop or material or tools handy. I do however have money to buy a box if thats just as good. I possibly can go to my dads (parents divorced) because he has a lot of tools and such but im not sure if he has exactly what we would need. What kinds of things/tools would i need?

 

[delaneygottron]

Well, now we are making some progress!!!

So, you already have a pretty dang good start! You're better off than anyone else your age! You also have enough sense to realize that the Sony system sucks and you found a good place for advice!

Here's the deal: Car subs in car sub boxes are pretty much just meant for your car, and are tuned for your car.

Car subs CAN be used in a home setting, but you need to build a box tuned for that purpose! Not too long ago, there were a whole bunch of people on here using the Infinity Reference Series Car Subs for HT sub builds, and the results looked pretty dang good for the price! I had 2 of those many years ago in my car, but I sold them before I realized the plans were readily available to go the HT route.

I will say that RF makes some very fine car audio subwoofers!

Honestly, I don't have a great solution for you. But now that we are making some progress, one of the other guys on here might.

Any chance you have access to wood working tools and have any wood working skill or desire to learn?

Anf if i were going to purchase a new home sub with a buult in amp which one should I buy preferably under $150 or is that to low to be buying a good home sub. Im just looking for more bass because ive got the quality

 

[markw]

You say you already have a sub. Which one is it?

[edit] Never mind. I ran across it in another thread.

With what you're looking to spend, this would be your best investment.

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pla

If you can stretch your budget to $200, they have it's 15" big brother available. Search on "Dayton 1500 subwoofer"

 

[highfigh]

I apologize. Im just kinda frustrated. What kind of consequences will I deal with running a home amp with car subs?

Car speakers are designed to be used in a space that's somewhat confined. They can definitely be heard outside of the vehicle's interior, but they're tailored to produce a specific response in the car, not in a room. However, car subs can work in a house, but they usually don't sound the same.

You asked about why car speakers don't necessarily work with home audio. The main reason car speakers are usually 4 Ohm is due to the fact that a car works on a 12V DC power supply and a house uses 120V AC. That's a huge difference. a 12V system can't develop high power unless it has higher voltage to work with and unlike AC current, you can't just use a transformer to increase the voltage if the output transistors need it. The output from a head unit with common ground speaker wires is about 3 Watts/channel and when they started to make floating ground output chips, each channel was outputting 12 Watts. If you know car audio, you have seen ads stating that car power amps often use MOS-FET output transistors. Well, some of those need 100V DC for the power supply and making 100V DC from 12V DC that will drive a decent amount of current is a pretty good trick.

It will help if you knew some of the concepts of electricity- it makes finding answers easier.

Voltage- think of it as 'electrical pressure' and is similar to water pressure. At some point, you may see it called 'electrical potential' and that's because it's potential energy- it's there, ready to be used and it can be stored (in a battery, which can ONLY be Direct Current).

Current- this is electron flow measured in Amperes, which is a specific amount of electrons/second and it's helpful to think of it as being similar to water flow rate. This is what does the work and it's also what causes wires and connections to become hot. It's also the reason one amp may handle low impedance and another won't. Power is a function of voltage vs resistance vs current. P(ower) = E²/R (Voltage, squared/Resistance). Also, P(ower) = I (Current) x E (Voltage) and for the last building block, I (Current) =E/R and and each of these can be derived if the others are known

If power is to remain constant and resistance varies, the current will vary inversely. Drop the resistance to current and current will increase.

 

[delaneygottron]

You say you already have a sub. Which one is it?

[edit] Never mind. I ran across it in another thread.

With what you're looking to spend, this would be your best investment.

http://www.parts-express.com/dayton-audio-sub-1200-12-120-watt-powered-subwoofer--300-629?utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=pla

If you can stretch your budget to $200, they have it's 15" big brother available. Search on "Dayton 1500 subwoofer"

If I wanted a 12" originally would the 15 really be a better choice or should i stick with the 12" dayton. Also would that be fine with bass heavy music?

 

[markw]

Depends on your expectations* but with your budget, you don't really have to many options. A good amp alone will cost more than what you want to spend, even if you were to build a box for those two car subs.

* If you're expecting your room to go "thump thump" like a car, that's never going to happen, maybe at any price.