Windows 10

[lsiberian]

Agreed, and I thought of that, but then I'm getting on the internet without the latest security updates. (The automotive apps I use require an internet connection.)

You don't need the latest security updates unless you are doing heavy surfing.

 

[haraldo]

Who said that Linux is ugly?

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

It doesn't have to be ugly, but it could. Stuff like kernel recompile because of some stupid nic driver. I've been there. Never figured it out, went with a different disto in the end

 

[haraldo]

It doesn't have to be ugly, but it could. Stuff like kernel recompile because of some stupid nic driver. I've been there. Never figured it out, went with a different disto in the end

At least you can compile the Kernel, with Windows you can't. Possibly you can get performance boost as the compiler can optimize exactly for the CPU that you do have in your machine.

With a generic build and with Windows, that's never gonna happen :-D

I been there compiling drivers, managing device whitelists, blacklists, doing this recompile whenever there's a kernel update, puuuh..... it can be hard work =

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Since me and haraldo already derailed Microsoft topic and discussing linux - I will add this:
Thou I couldn't care less how pretty or user friendly linux desktop is, I can say enough good things about beauty of *nix/bsd based tools and open source sharing has enabled very rapid idea to execution times by reusing exiting blocks/tools.
For example I love OpenElec, but what it really is - just a thin linux distro (only minor adjustments needed I bet) and another exiting product - Kodi htpc software.
Bring these together and one has near perfect embedded HTPC. Time to develop it from blocks - probably couple of weeks at most. Time to develop it from scratch by a single person (or even small team) - Several YEARS!!

Oh and one interesting fact: Microsoft had contributed heavily to linux code base few years back. I guess to enable/improve running linux loads on Hyper-V

 

[haraldo]

This thread is already seriously derailed, but at least this post contains the word Windows

The Best Linux Distributions For Windows XP Refugees:
http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/best-linux-distros-absolute-beginners-windows-xp-users/

Check ElementaryOS, I'm trying this at the moment

 

[Topken]

Sorry but all those distros posted on that article are based off of Ubuntu which is based off of debian and I honestly can not stand ubuntu personally. My main linux distro is PCLinuxOS Mate Edition i really like the fact that it is a rolling release compared to whatever they classify ubuntu and its derivities as. I just need to reload synaptic then hit upgrade and let it install and I will have the latest apps and OS upgrades minus the kernel but that is easy enough to upgrade as well.

 

[ParadigmDawg]

You must be visiting all sorts of sites that are vectors for all kinds of issues. All the people I fix these kinds of issues for are either opening and clicking on every email link and visiting sites that are just asking for issues. This is NOT the normal.

I see no issue with this....

 

[Rickster71]

You are so wrong there mate Malwarebytes acts like any other Anti-virus software and does real time scanning with the premium version. I have the free version of Malwarebytes installed to run as a secondary anti virus incase Microsoft Security Essentials misses anything or if my pc is acting odd.

This is something I cut & pasted directly from Malwarebytes. A post from one of their Admins:

"Malwarebytes' is not an antivirus, it is basically a program designed to detect and remove infections that most antivirus programs tend to miss or are unable to remove. You should absolutely have an antivirus software along with a good firewall and of course a good antispyware/antimalware app like Malwarebytes'. If you want programs that are low on resource usage some good AV's would be Kaspersky and Avira Antivir (just use one of course), and for antispyware/antimalware: Malwarebytes' (of course) and SUPERAntiSpyware. If you really wanted a "suite" or all-in-one solution, I can't say that I can recommend any of them, because if you think about it you're relying on one company, one group of investigators to positively identify every single piece of malware on the internet at any given time, and that just isn't going to happen, that's why I believe the layered approach is always better. I'm sure you've heard the old saying "jack of all trades, master of none", that's how I see all-in-one security suites, they just can't detect everything on any given day."

And this:
"
The majority of the research that goes into MBAM (Malwarebyets) is based on what the Antivirus vendors are failing on most frequently . This allows us to keep a smaller database and prevents conflicts with antivirus software .

The only thing MBAM does not do is to unpatch system files as this is the job of your dedicated antivirus software .

MBAM is designed to work along side your existing antivirus software , not conflict or compete with it."

 

[haraldo]

......
Win10 supposed to fix these last few annoyances and for free. Why should i complain?

According to Jim Alkove @ Microsoft, the upgrade to Win 10 will be free from any edition of Win 7, 8, 8.1, except for Enterprise Edition

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

According to Jim Alkove @ Microsoft, the upgrade to Win 10 will be free, unless you run Win 7/8/8.1 Enterprise Edition

Upgrading Ent edition will be headache for large IT teams. Which I doubt they would do even it upgrade was free.

and more - For now - it's not my problem all together

 

[lsiberian]

This is something I cut & pasted directly from Malwarebytes. A post from one of their Admins:

"Malwarebytes' is not an antivirus, it is basically a program designed to detect and remove infections that most antivirus programs tend to miss or are unable to remove. You should absolutely have an antivirus software along with a good firewall and of course a good antispyware/antimalware app like Malwarebytes'. If you want programs that are low on resource usage some good AV's would be Kaspersky and Avira Antivir (just use one of course), and for antispyware/antimalware: Malwarebytes' (of course) and SUPERAntiSpyware. If you really wanted a "suite" or all-in-one solution, I can't say that I can recommend any of them, because if you think about it you're relying on one company, one group of investigators to positively identify every single piece of malware on the internet at any given time, and that just isn't going to happen, that's why I believe the layered approach is always better. I'm sure you've heard the old saying "jack of all trades, master of none", that's how I see all-in-one security suites, they just can't detect everything on any given day."

And this:
"
The majority of the research that goes into MBAM (Malwarebyets) is based on what the Antivirus vendors are failing on most frequently . This allows us to keep a smaller database and prevents conflicts with antivirus software .

The only thing MBAM does not do is to unpatch system files as this is the job of your dedicated antivirus software .

MBAM is designed to work along side your existing antivirus software , not conflict or compete with it."

I wonder what motivation the owner of malwarebytes would have for saying that. Yeah my AV program isn't actually an AV program. It's another level or protection you need to buy in triplicate.

 

[haraldo]

Upgrading Ent edition will be headache for large IT teams. Which I doubt they would do even it upgrade was free.

and more - For now - it's not my problem all together

It's a good point and interesting too .... and a self-contradiction
Windows 10 main focus is towards business users, many of them will probably use windows x.x Enterprise Edition, so the price / value proposition will be harder. I'm happy that I'm not the one trying to push Windows 10 Enterprise

I am more a believer of the freedom of choice that comes with an open source model, the proprietary licensing model really locks you down more .... Even though I spent 7 years in a row working with business intelligence on Microsoft SQL Server + integration services, reporting services, analysis services .... I would still rather suggest Linux, MySql, Talend, Mule and other opensource based architectures. It gives you more flexibility and freedom to develop what you want.

If you really do need a feature in the operating system, database or the ETL platform, you can always hire some pretty darn clever developers to do this .... With Microsoft platform you just can't ..... You just have to wait for the next release and hope the feature you really need will be there

London Stock Exchange went from Windows Server to Suse Linux Enterprise Server on their core infrastructure... and reduced cost, increased messaging throughput, higher reliability, less server footprint and probably some other things too......

I'm sure you windows guys are getting ready now

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Linux in enterprise is not just about freedom and flexibility. It's also about support. Aka - who's going to support it then Dev A, who knew all about it, quits ?
Linux experts are still small minority. Like it or not. Not sure about Europe, but here in US for 50 windows techs, there is one linux tech.

p.s: The contradiction you're referring to is not mine, but created by MS (according to you )

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

As for GNU systems, I do have recent example how things SHOULD work in order to be accepted.
My Freenas box. Easy gui updates. Rock solid stable version. Super easy plugins system.

Only yesterday I felt like I wanted to try out new PVR manager - Sonarr - two clicks and it was installed and 99.99% configured. Including a separate jail, ip config, DB setup, gui - the whole nine yards

Love then things are so easy

 

[Rickster71]

I wonder what motivation the owner of malwarebytes would have for saying that. Yeah my AV program isn't actually an AV program. It's another level or protection you need to buy in triplicate.

Guess it depends how long a person has been around computers. He would say that because they aren't the same thing.
There have been many times an AV couldn't remove/fix a problem and Free Malwarebytes did.
Norton has a Free Power eraser,https://security.symantec.com/nbrt/npe.aspx that's free for anyone to download. Kapersky has a good one also free, I think most use different tools beside just one AV.
We along with out IT guy has always used multiple avenues to clean up a PC and network.
Most of them Free.

 

[haraldo]

Linux in enterprise is not just about freedom and flexibility. It's also about support. Aka - who's going to support it then Dev A, who knew all about it, quits ?
Linux experts are still small minority. Like it or not. Not sure about Europe, but here in US for 50 windows techs, there is one linux tech.

p.s: The contradiction you're referring to is not mine, but created by MS (according to you )

I understand your question, but not really the problem

The case of support for OpenSource is generally being raised in projects where you do have a choice between .... say Microsoft and an OpenSource stack .... for the wrong reasons

In one major project for a large telco operator over here we did a comprehensive analysis on this which ended with the conclusion that an opensource based solution (Red Hat Enterprise Linux, MySql, Jboss, Java frameworks) would be better from than a Microsoft + Oracle solution from a support point of view, not to mention TCO ...

The reason many people are reluctant to opensource is that they believe that they have noone to blame when something goes wrong, this may be a wrong conclusion too as Redhat provides support on linux, Orcale provides support on MySql and so on ....

Opensource support may be better for some reasons
- Sourcecode is readily available, which means it's possible to analyse situation better, by any genuine expert who can understand the problem, system architecture and that can read and analyze the source code
- You do have a choice of support providers, A choice of providers can provide support as source is readily available
- As there is competition you can probably get support at better price
- The opensource community is extremely knowledgeable and ready to help you, the value of this should not be underestimated

The above mentioned project went opensource and project delivery, rollout and operations have all been a great success, with successful production support.... it's been live for quite a few years now and the word is the same positive (I was the responsible architect there)

My experience with support from SUSE is generaly better than what I experienced from Oracle or Microsoft or any other that follow the proprietary licensing model.

 

[Irvrobinson]

I am more a believer of the freedom of choice that comes with an open source model, the proprietary licensing model really locks you down more ....

I'm not sure I'm following your freedom of choice statement. In the Linux community you can get freedom of choice about which company you have providing third-party support (like Suse or Redhat), but beyond that I'm not sure what the freedom factor is. There is freedom in open source world to take the source code and extend it in some way, but until those changes are accepted by whatever community is controlling the source you have code just as proprietary as anyone's, and you might be stuck porting your code to whatever future version's of the community's source code are being developed while you're waiting.

One could say that open source is a vehicle for some kinds of innovation, and there's probably a good case for that based on the evidence, but freedom still doesn't come to mind. Lower cost in the data center world probably does too.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Haraldo - I would say this much: Neither Suse or redhead could possibly support a-z of designing and running day to day admin stuff. You need a linux admin for that is my point : I don't know about Norway, but in US linux admins are still a small minority. I'm not talking about vast hosting companies. They just puppet/chef (approx translation: Cloning) to the death and have only few admins actually doing anything.
In real biz (and we are not in fully cloud just yet) you do need onsite or atleast dedicated linux admin who know what he/she is doing (yes, Bigfoot exists and I have in fact met a female linux expert)
I assume if she was single - you'd want to marry her

 

[haraldo]

I see your points guys.... and..... The world is not black and white….

I’m not saying Linux is the holy grail, far from this. Before 2013 I spent my last 7 years working on Microsoft infrastructure with “SQL Server BI stack” and I like it. What I’m saying is that there are some really good advabtages with Linux in some cases.

For example: as far as I know, Google only employs Linux servers, not because they’re licensing is free, not because Linux is faster, but because it gives them a business advantage of rolling out new services faster… Google is not the standard company, they never repair servers, so if a server fails they throw it away instead of fixing it; they probably don't have many admins too, all servers are cloned copies ....

Windows is a good choice, but sometimes you need to think different

I am glad to hear that bigfoot exists