Why would anyone do that?

KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
I don't get the religion part at all.
There don't seem to be any mainstream religions that argue against vaccinations, but here are some religious influences (from Wikipedia):

The cell culture media of some viral vaccines, and the virus of the rubella vaccine, are derived from tissues taken from therapeutic abortions performed in the 1960s, leading to moral questions. For example, the principle of double effect, originated by Thomas Aquinas, holds that actions with both good and bad consequences are morally acceptable in specific circumstances, and the question is how this principle applies to vaccination.[17] The Vatican Curia has expressed concern about the rubella vaccine's embryonic cell origin, saying Catholics have "...a grave responsibility to use alternative vaccines and to make a conscientious objection with regard to those which have moral problems."[18] The Vatican concluded that until an alternative becomes available it is acceptable forCatholics to use the existing vaccine, writing, "This is an unjust alternative choice, which must be eliminated as soon as possible."[18]

Some conservative U.S. Christian groups oppose mandatory vaccination for diseases typically spread via sexual contact, arguing that the possibility of disease deters risky sexual contact. For example, the Family Research Council opposes mandatory use ofvaccines against the human papillomavirus, writing, "Our primary concern is with the message that would be delivered to nine- to 12-year-olds with the administration of the vaccines. Care must be taken not to communicate that such an intervention makes all sex 'safe'."[19][20]

Rabbi Schmuel Kamemenetsky, a prominent[according to whom?] Orthodox Jewish rabbi, denounced immunization as a hoax. A magazine called P.E.A.C.H. that presented an anti-immunization message to Orthodox Jews was distributed in Brooklyn, New York in early 2014. This is not a widespread phenomenon though. 96% of students at Yeshivas (which are essentially all Orthodox Jewish) in New York City were immunized according to information obtained in 2014, although this is a lower than average rate.[21]

In the U.S., all states except Mississippi and West Virginia allow parents to opt out of their children's otherwise-mandatory vaccinations for religious reasons.[24] The number of religious exemptions rose greatly in the late 1990s and early 2000s; for example, inMassachusetts, the rate of those seeking exemptions rose from 0.24% in 1996 to 0.60% in 2006. Some parents are falsely claiming religious beliefs in order to get exemptions.[25] The American Medical Association opposes such exemptions, on the grounds that they endanger health not only for the unvaccinated individual but also for neighbors and the community at large.[26]

Edit: It is noteworthy that Miss and WV are the only two states that truly mandate vaccinations!
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Edit: It is noteworthy that Miss and WV are the only two states that truly mandate vaccinations!
I remember recently reading that Mississippi has the lowest rate of measles among all 50 states. Noteworthy, hell, that's a major surprise.

The day science takes advice from the Vatican or other religious orthodoxy such as that rabbi, is a sorry day.
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
The day science takes advice from the Vatican or other religious orthodoxy such as that rabbi, is a sorry day.
I hope science does not and never will take advice from religious interests.

Unfortunately, the field of science has suffered major discrediting. I think this was caused by the "global warming" fiasco whereby since the needs of global warming were at odds with the profitability of large corporations which have financial influence (lobbyists for gubbermint and ad weight...and bribes... for the media). I talked to one of the global warming scientists who presented in front of the Senate and he said "an aid" whispered in the ear of a Senator and the senator asked "Can you tell me with absolute statistical certainty or 100% confidence that global warming exists?"
If you know Statistics, nothing is 100%, and being a scientist he had to say "no" and that made it look like science was "crying wolf" to politicians (God forbid that we might expect politicians to understand Statistics).
 
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Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
At the NCI (National Cancer Inst.) the running joke, whenever budgets are at stake in Congress, is that not nearly enough congressmen get cancer.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

Audioholic Slumlord
At the NCI (National Cancer Inst.) the running joke, whenever budgets are at stake in Congress, is that not nearly enough congressmen get cancer.
I don't think you can say that. :D
 
KEW

KEW

Audioholic Overlord
It seems like I remember the government retains the right to use drones against domestic targets if they felt it was warranted.

For the record, I am very happy our Congress is healthy!
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
There don't seem to be any mainstream religions
Again, Christ Scientists and Jehovah's Witness's are against vaccines. They say the power of prayer is more powerful. Even after outbreaks like what happened Philly around the 90's.

I don't know how to multi quote

Swerd;

As to being surprised about Mississippi, It's one of two states that don't allow religious exemptions for vaccines. So there is no surprise there because more people are getting immunized.
And no, I don't know of any religious groups that use mercury in a ritual. :D Unless your talking about Mercury the planet. Then maybe Pagans or some other similar type group. :)
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Again, Christ Scientists and Jehovah's Witness's are against vaccines. They say the power of prayer is more powerful. Even after outbreaks like what happened Philly around the 90's.
Both Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses are genuine religions, even if they're small in number compared to the general US population. It's hard to argue against freedom of religion, even on this subject. In the past, when these religious groups were the only objectors to vaccinations, measles had not yet been eliminated from the US population.

The "personal belief" objections that we see now can make up much larger numbers of US population today. Much more of the general US population is vaccinated, so the effect of the "personal belief" objections, can have a greater impact, leading to the return of diseases like measles which had been nearly been eliminated.
As to being surprised about Mississippi, It's one of two states that don't allow religious exemptions for vaccines. So there is no surprise there because more people are getting immunized.
I was surprised because Mississippi has the unenviable reputation as the last state on many lists that ranks states in a variety of matters. In this one case, I was surprised by how advanced they can be.
 
Dan

Dan

Audioholic Chief
I think the ignorance that oyu speak of is actually the product of poor science education and inability to think critically that most of our population has. It is a function of society that by and large values entertainers over intelligent thought. High school science education does not in my experience teach most people to look at data and analyze it correctly. I blame the curricula and societal values not the teachers although some are clearly unqualified to teach science, many are excellent. The college educated anti vaccers by and large have little or no science in college. The few crackpot pediatricians out there should have their licenses yanked. That's coming from an MD folks.
 
lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I could understand the religious reasons, but I don't accept them. As a person looking to have kids in the next several years I am very concerned about this rising epidemic.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

Audioholic Spartan
I want to know who the sadistic SOB was that had the brainstorm of not using Novocaine on kids getting fillings back in the 70's. When they work the kinks out of time travel I want to go back to New York, 1971, some dentist's office: with an axe.
I think it's about time your parents come clean with you and admit they were taking you to a veterinarian.:D
My Dad has a fear of needles, still get his teeth drilled without Novocain.:eek:
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Thanks Dan.
I think the ignorance that oyu speak of is actually the product of poor science education and inability to think critically that most of our population has. It is a function of society that by and large values entertainers over intelligent thought. High school science education does not in my experience teach most people to look at data and analyze it correctly. I blame the curricula and societal values not the teachers although some are clearly unqualified to teach science, many are excellent. The college educated anti vaccers by and large have little or no science in college.
I think it goes farther than poor education. Most of the generation that our parents grew up in were less educated than our generation, but they all seemed to share a concept of responsibility to society that now seems to be set aside. When the first vaccines against polio became available in the 1950s, none of our parents said, 'just wait a damn minute'. They pushed their kids into those lines.

I think the anti-vaxxers' of today seem to be able to think only of their own perceived short-term benefit. They are unwilling or unable to understand that acting for the good of the public not only benefits them further, but is a responsibility that comes with living in our society.

Maybe we need to reinstate the draft again. Everyone who ever endured boot camp knows a few needles and vaccines can't hurt them.

The few crackpot pediatricians out there should have their licenses yanked. That's coming from an MD folks.
One of those crackpots I read of is an MD in the Phoenix, AZ area, who used to be a cardiologist, and now practices a sort of voodoo holistic medicine. What kind of cardiologist chooses to leave that lucrative type of practice, and proscribe "holistic" medicine instead? A defrocked cardiologist.
 
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lsiberian

lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
Thanks Dan.
I think it goes farther than poor education. Most of the generation that our parents grew up in were less educated than our generation, but they all seemed to share a concept of responsibility to society that now seems to be set aside. When the first vaccines against polio became available in the 1950s, none of our parents said, 'just wait a damn minute'. They pushed their kids into those lines.

I think the anti-vaxxers' of today seem to be able to think only of their own perceived short-term benefit. They are unwilling or unable to understand that acting for the good of the public not only benefits them further, but is a responsibility that comes with living in our society.

Maybe we need to reinstate the draft again. Everyone who ever endured boot camp knows a few needles and vaccines can't hurt them.

One of those crackpots I read of is an MD in the Phoenix, AZ area, who used to be a cardiologist, and now practices a sort of voodoo holistic medicine. What kind of cardiologist chooses to leave that lucrative type of practice, and proscribe "holistic" medicine instead? A defrocked cardiologist.
I bet he makes a lot more money with voodoo. Just look at Dr. Oz
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
Both Christian Scientists and Jehovah's Witnesses are genuine religions, even if they're small in number compared to the general US population. It's hard to argue against freedom of religion, even on this subject. In the past, when these religious groups were the only objectors to vaccinations, measles had not yet been eliminated from the US population.
Swerd, can you dumb this down for me? I know that CS & JW's are genuine religions. I'm not sure what you're saying here.

Every year I have the same hesitation about getting a flu shot because of the mercury. Then I remember the few times when I had the flu and that I probably have more mercury in my fillings than there is in the flu vaccine so I get a flu shot.

The Jenny McCarthy thing is pretty mind boggling to me. If I remember right, she told Oprah that she went to the university of Google for her education on autism. The supposed Dr. she got her information from was proven to be a a fraud and has since lost his medical license yet she hasn't come out publicly to say that maybe she was wrong.
I have a friend that has a child who is autistic. He is between 3 and 4 on the CARS scale and non verbal. She was so distraught when he was officially diagnosed that she grasped at many different probable causes because it was so hard for her to face that something she did was responsible for his autism. She didn't love him less, she, and I, love Jayden very much. She came to terms and doesn't care so much what the cause, but more about what she can do to help him. Maybe this is what McCarthy went through, or is going through. I don't know.

Why do some people cut other peoples heads off because they worship the wrong deity. I don't know.
 
psbfan9

psbfan9

Audioholic Samurai
Where did they find a lab coat that big?
Well played sir. Well played!!
I found it ironic they used the term waffle. I'm sure 'Close that Bridge' Christie hasn't met a waffle he didn't like.
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
Swerd, can you dumb this down for me? I know that CS & JW's are genuine religions. I'm not sure what you're saying here.
I'd be glad to try and explain, but I'm not sure whether you're asking about my comment on CS and JW religions, or if you're asking about mercury and thimerisol. Which one?
 

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