Need advice on which Yamaha receiver to buy.

[PittViper]

I thought I had decided upon the Yamaha 577 as my new receiver at ~450.00. Now I have been looking at the 6xx series, and now am becoming undecided.

I can't really narrow down the differences between the 5xx and 6xx series. I need your help.

The 577 fits my budget; big concern. I want built in wifi so I can stream from pc, but I don't think I will ever use the new virtual function with 5 speakers up front, and see no reason to spend for this.

I will mainly listen to music, with a tv coming maybe much farther down the road. This is for a small bedroom, that can't really be played loudly.

I am thinking of a decent pair of bookshelves on stands up front, and won't have a center channel until I have the tv, but video and surround sound are not my main concern, simply quality music, with the other features to be used in the future.

Budget for receiver and speakers is ~1000.00. I have been leaning toward the Yamaha 577 and Wharfedale 10.1 speakers.

Any and all advice on receiver and speakers is appreciated. I have considered NAD and Marantz, but for the feature set, they are way above my budget.

Thanks

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00CALM2KS/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1418428513&sr=8-1&keywords=Denon x2000&condition=used

I would get the Denon X2000 like-new open box from Amazon for $395 delivered and get full factory warranty. MSRP on new one is $700.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Denon is the best "yamaha" receiver out there
but with small correction, due to limited total budget I suggest a bit different model:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00CALM2JY/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1418429886&sr=8-1&keywords=denon x1000&condition=used
Open box is likely to be new or b-stock product which retailers do not have right to sell at such discounts as new product (if you want to keep their authorized retailer status)

$1000 for both receiver and speakers is not a lot of money. To maximize the quality of audio you need to maximize speakers budget as much as possible.
aka $200 for AVR and $800 speakers is guaranteed to sound A LOT better than $600 avr and $400 speakers

Don't get stuck on wifi - as long it has network port - you can add a network - wired or with simple and cheap bridge - a wireless one like this one: http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-3-In-1-Wireless-Router-RT-N12/dp/B00DWFPDNO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

 

[PittViper]

I understand that a lower cost receiver and and more $$$ toward speakers is the way to go.

I have recently been thinking about the NHT super stereo 2.1 or superone 2.1.

What are your suggestions on speakers if I get the aforementioned Denon (used model) and an $1000.00 budget. This leaves me about ~$700+ a little for speakers. What speakers, in this price range, would be recommended for basically a music only system, for now...

 

[PittViper]

Denon is the best "yamaha" receiver out there
but with small correction, due to limited total budget I suggest a bit different model:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B00CALM2JY/ref=sr_1_1_olp?ie=UTF8&qid=1418429886&sr=8-1&keywords=denon x1000&condition=used
Open box is likely to be new or b-stock product which retailers do not have right to sell at such discounts as new product (if you want to keep their authorized retailer status)

$1000 for both receiver and speakers is not a lot of money. To maximize the quality of audio you need to maximize speakers budget as much as possible.
aka $200 for AVR and $800 speakers is guaranteed to sound A LOT better than $600 avr and $400 speakers

Don't get stuck on wifi - as long it has network port - you can add a network - wired or with simple and cheap bridge - a wireless one like this one: http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-3-In-1-Wireless-Router-RT-N12/dp/B00DWFPDNO/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top

How many rca audio inputs does this receiver have? I won't be using any hdmi for right now, or maybe never, but hopefully not though. I will initially be connecting a Grace Digital Mondo wifi radio and a TEAC CD player. Are there inputs for both of these?

 

[PittViper]

Now looking at NHT Superone 2.1 ~$550 on amazon. Opinions?

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

How many rca audio inputs does this receiver have? I won't be using any hdmi for right now, or maybe never, but hopefully not though. I will initially be connecting a Grace Digital Mondo wifi radio and a TEAC CD player. Are there inputs for both of these?

X1000 has 2 analog inputs
Not sure about which Teac CD player you are using, but preferably it has digital out

So answer is yes - you should be alright

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Now looking at NHT Superone 2.1 ~$550 on amazon. Opinions?

a) Small price suggestion - it's $500 on manufacturer site
b) But I would recommend a pair of these speakers:
http://www.wavecrestaudio.com/products/hvl-1-two-way-loudspeaker-pair
and this sub:
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk4.html

Get both while they they on holiday sale prices

So - Open Box Denon X1000 + Wave Crest + HSU Sub = $1000

 

[zieglj01]

Now looking at NHT Superone 2.1 ~$550 on amazon. Opinions?

Good choice - However, I would buy the bookshelf speakers direct from NHT
And buy, a different sub from HSU - the STF-2 is a nice option
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html

My preferred option would be the Philharmonic Audio AA speakers for
$165 a pair - they have real good nice sound, and not easy to beat.
http://philharmonicaudio.com/aa.html

Then you can go for the HSU VTF-2 sub

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I agree AA is another great choice, but im not sure if Dennis have sufficient quantities in Stock. Besides choosing between these speakers is not going to be easy. Both are excellent value

 

[3db]

I thought I had decided upon the Yamaha 577 as my new receiver at ~450.00. Now I have been looking at the 6xx series, and now am becoming undecided.

I can't really narrow down the differences between the 5xx and 6xx series. I need your help.

The 577 fits my budget; big concern. I want built in wifi so I can stream from pc, but I don't think I will ever use the new virtual function with 5 speakers up front, and see no reason to spend for this.

I will mainly listen to music, with a tv coming maybe much farther down the road. This is for a small bedroom, that can't really be played loudly.

I am thinking of a decent pair of bookshelves on stands up front, and won't have a center channel until I have the tv, but video and surround sound are not my main concern, simply quality music, with the other features to be used in the future.

Budget for receiver and speakers is ~1000.00. I have been leaning toward the Yamaha 577 and Wharfedale 10.1 speakers.

Any and all advice on receiver and speakers is appreciated. I have considered NAD and Marantz, but for the feature set, they are way above my budget.

Thanks

Stick with Yamaha and ignore them pushy Denon folk . Yamaha is the most reliable brand out there bar none.

The difference between the two are mainly these; the ability to handle and process 4K video on the 677 which the 577 doesnt have. The 677 also has a better version of YPAO (room correction facility) including the new YPAO volume which is equivalent in function to Dynamic EQ found on Denons. The 577 doesn't have this.

Based on the solid speaker suggestions, you should be able to squeeze in the 677 into your budget.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

YPAO is almost as good and Denons as reliable.

 

[3db]

YPAO is almost as good and Denons as reliable.

Denon almost as reliable as Yamaha .. Actually no conclusive studies have ever been conducted to determine whether if YPAO or Auddssy is better.

 

[KEW]

Denon almost as reliable as Yamaha .. Actually no conclusive studies have ever been conducted to determine whether if YPAO or Auddssy is better.

Does that mean there are conclusive studies showing Yamaha is more reliable?

 

[3db]

Does that mean there are conclusive studies showing Yamaha is more reliable?

Conclusive no.. but there has been several threads raised that question Denon reliability.... If you like I can dig these up for you.

 

[afterlife2]

I'd rather go for Yammy Aventage or Harman than a Denon, but that's just my humble opinion. I would have said Onkyo as well, but the newer line uses their own type of audyssey, which I heard was not good. If you want Onkyo go for one of the last very good model 818, which got very good praise(Audyssey MultEQ XT32): http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/onktxnr818/onkyo-tx-nr818-7.2-ch-thx-certified-network-a/v-receiver/1.html

 

[KEW]

Conclusive no.. but there has been several threads raised that question Denon reliability.... If you like I can dig these up for you.

Every company has their issues. Yamaha seems to have laid a turd with their bottom level receiver. But I have a lot of respect for Yamaha as producing solid electronics.

 

[PittViper]

Good choice - However, I would buy the bookshelf speakers direct from NHT
And buy, a different sub from HSU - the STF-2 is a nice option
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/stf-2.html

My preferred option would be the Philharmonic Audio AA speakers for
$165 a pair - they have real good nice sound, and not easy to beat.
http://philharmonicaudio.com/aa.html

Then you can go for the HSU VTF-2 sub

I am now trying to get opinions of the nht super zero vs the super one speakers. How is the low freq resp of the super one? Will it be sufficient w/o a sub for a short while?

Also, I like the idea of the hsu sub choice. With a ported design, how should it be placed in your room relative to the main speakers?

 

[zieglj01]

I am now trying to get opinions of the nht super zero vs the super one speakers. How is the low freq resp of the super one? Will it be sufficient w/o a sub for a short while?

Also, I like the idea of the hsu sub choice. With a ported design, how should it be placed in your room relative to the main speakers?

The SuperZero while a nice sounding satellite speaker has little to no real bass.
It only has a little [small] bass, below 100 hz

The SuperOne 2.1 has a bigger woofer and bigger box - and will have some bass
and punch.

I owned the SuperZero speakers in the pass and the Classic Two speakers [which
also has a 6 inch woofer] - and there is a big difference. NHT rates the bass specs
in the SuperOne 2.1 about the same. So, I am confident that it will have bass.

If your expectations are not real high - then the SuperOne 2.1 can hold you for awhile
bass wise. Some people are happy with the results - however a sub will be beneficial
in the future, to pick up that deeper bass response for Home Theater and deeper bass
music listening.

The best way to place any sub, is to do the subwoofer crawl

 

[PittViper]

The SuperZero while a nice sounding satellite speaker has little to no real bass.
It only has a little [small] bass, below 100 hz

The SuperOne 2.1 has a bigger woofer and bigger box - and will have some bass
and punch.

I owned the SuperZero speakers in the pass and the Classic Two speakers [which.....
also has a 6 inch woofer] - and there is a big difference. NHT rates the bass specs
in the SuperOne 2.1 about the same. So, I am confident that it will have bass.

If your expectations are not real high - then the SuperOne 2.1 can hold you for awhile
bass wise. Some people are happy with the results - however a sub will be beneficial
in the future, to pick up that deeper bass response for Home Theater and deeper bass
music listening.

The best way to place any sub, is to do the subwoofer crawl

The "Crawl" makes perfect sense! Thanks for the tip.

Next, I'll revert back to asking a stupid question.

I mentioned earlier that I will not have a TV in this room, at least for a long while. Now, with the Yamaha 677, will I need a viewing device to facilitate streaming music from my pc or flash drive, in order to see the available music? Will I need a graphical device to do anything but listening to music for the time being. I have an extra flat screen computer monitor. Can this be connected to the 677, and if so, via hdmi? (that is the input that the monitor has).

So, basically, I'm wondering will I be dead in the water with this receiver without a monitor of some sort?

Let me know, and many, many thanks for all of the previous suggestions......