Is a DAC necessary with my budget HI-FI 2.1 system

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courtjameson

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EDIT: This is a long post so I'm going to keep it simple at the top. My question is, is a DAC necessary to get the most out of the following 2.1 computer set up:

-Pioneer BS-SP22 Bookshelf speakers with matching Andrew Jones sub.

-Computer (Windows 8.1\Hackintosh) Realtek alc 887 on board sound from a GA-87m-HD3 motherboard. I also have a GT 650 ti installed, however I have a 3k UHD monitor so I'd need to get a 4k AV receiver to use its sound.

-Yamaha R-S500 Stereo. To save on cost I can downgrade to a cheaper stereo, I already own a Insignia NS-R2001 that is not in use. Or I can use my current HT AV digital receiver, an Onkyo TX-SR608 and buy a new receiver for my Paradigm 90 CT Home Theater setup, I can get a killer deal on the new Yamaha RX-V677 at $400.

My desktop's Klipsch Promedia 2.1's sub blew out so over the last couple of months I've been in the process of building a new system. I bought some BS-SP22 Andrew Jones with the matching sub. Now I'm in the process of picking out my amp. My main concern is I want to get the best out of my speakers without buying anything unnecessary.

I bought a Yamaha r-s500 and am using an rca 3.5 aux adapter to my computer. Is the Yamaha r-s500 overkill with Andrew Jones speakers and a computer DAC (it's a Realtek alc 887 from a GA-87m-HD3 motherboard)? I paid $200 for it, retails for $350, which is why I didn't really ask questions at the time but with how its set up would I get the same experience from a Sony STR-DH130 or Insignia NS-r2001? I actually already have the Insignia sitting in my garage.

Or am I going the wrong route, it seems like these stereos without a digital connection are only good for components with RCA outputs. Should I look into an digital AV receiver?

I can get my hands on the Onkyo TX-SR608 and hook it up via optical. Because I'm using a UHD monitor I don't think I can go HDMI. If that is the case, will my computers dac still be in use? I was under the impression that digital receivers have their own dacs, but I'm thinking about it now and it seems like the receivers dac would only be in use if bitstreaming is involved which from my understanding is only DTS-HD and Dolbys TRUEHD. Since this is my computer set up those codecs won't be involved.

So it seems like if I used a digital AV receiver I'll be able to get my higher bitrate music (where as with the stereos mentioned above I would be getting downsampled) but it will still be going through my crappy dac.

So lastly, I may be answering my own question here but is buying a external DAC necessary to get the best out of my system? Obviously it's something I'm trying to avoid because of the cost. With that in mind, is there a DAC I should look at?

Sorry guys, lots of questions. My last question should probably be am I reading too much into it. I probably am but once I get it set up, I won't worry about it again and hopefully I won't be paying for anything unnecessarily.
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

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I have no idea about your PC stuff, but if your pc is going to be the only source, I would get a muse usb dac Amazon.com: Signstek HIFI USB to Coaxial S/PDIF Converter Decoder Convert Digital to Analogue Signal Mini USB DAC PCM 2704 Chipset with USB Cable: Computers & Accessories , a small integrated amplifier Amazon.com: Dayton Audio DTA-120 Class T Digital Mini Amplifier 60 WPC (Black): Electronics with a mini dsp to control your sub MiniDSP 2x4 | MiniDSP and thats it... a couple hundred bucks, gets you dac, integrated amp, and sub control...
 
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courtjameson

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I saw that dac, ebay is flooded with them. It seems to get great reviews and I like the price. I might just buy it. With my set up, would this $30 DAC and a $200 one produce about the same sound?

Researching these DAC's gave me a headache last night, I was reading reviews on $200 dacs where users were getting only slightly better quality. Of course most were using them with their macbook pros (fairly decent dac). And then of course, a lot of them were probably already maxing out their equipment.

Those amps seem to be the way to go with a computer set up. It would save space. But with the deal I got on the Yamaha I'd almost prefer to keep it unless those produce similar to better sound. Also as a deciding factor, in the future I wouldn't mind buying a nice cabinet stand to put this yamaha in and match it with floorspeakers. Don't have the space right now though.
 
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Nestor

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I saw that dac, ebay is flooded with them. It seems to get great reviews and I like the price. I might just buy it. With my set up, would this $30 DAC and a $200 one produce about the same sound?

Researching these DAC's gave me a headache last night, I was reading reviews on $200 dacs where users were getting only slightly better quality. Of course most were using them with their macbook pros (fairly decent dac). And then of course, a lot of them were probably already maxing out their equipment.

Those amps seem to be the way to go with a computer set up. It would save space. But with the deal I got on the Yamaha I'd almost prefer to keep it unless those produce similar to better sound. Also as a deciding factor, in the future I wouldn't mind buying a nice cabinet stand to put this yamaha in and match it with floorspeakers. Don't have the space right now though.
If the DAC is competently manufactured, it will be indistinguishable from other competently manufactured DACs.

How do you know your current DAC is "crappy"?
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
I saw that dac, ebay is flooded with them. It seems to get great reviews and I like the price. I might just buy it. With my set up, would this $30 DAC and a $200 one produce about the same sound?

Researching these DAC's gave me a headache last night, I was reading reviews on $200 dacs where users were getting only slightly better quality. Of course most were using them with their macbook pros (fairly decent dac). And then of course, a lot of them were probably already maxing out their equipment.

Those amps seem to be the way to go with a computer set up. It would save space. But with the deal I got on the Yamaha I'd almost prefer to keep it unless those produce similar to better sound. Also as a deciding factor, in the future I wouldn't mind buying a nice cabinet stand to put this yamaha in and match it with floorspeakers. Don't have the space right now though.
Heres the thing... your system should make some sort of sense. For you to spend $200 on a dac to put with the pioneer 22's would be insane in my opinion, since if you want better sound all you have to do is buy better speakers....

For example- your speakers with this dac LUXMAN DA-06 DSD DAC at Music Direct would be BLOWN AWAY by these speakers Sierra-2 RAAL Ribbon Tweeter Bamboo Cabinet Loudspeaker and the $30 DAC for much less money total....

So if you are going to spend $200 on a dac first I would recommend upgrading your speakers and using the $30 dac... plenty of options out there for $200-$400
HVL-1 Two-Way Loudspeaker | Wave Crest Audio
CBM-170 SE High Performance Bookshelf Loudspeaker
EPOS EPIC 2 BOOKSHELF SPEAKERS (PR) at Music Direct
and many many more, them will make a difference you don't have to "imagine" to hear... But even after you get a better pair of speakers, I still wouldn't opt for a better dac with that pioneer sub, something like this SB-1000 - Black Ash - Outlet , now with say them epic 2's that svs sub, you would be approaching a very nice setup, clean fast lows, smooth but defined mids, and livable highs with nothing missing...
Then after you get there I still wouldn't replace the $30 dac beauae adding another matching sub will do wonders for your low end, so there goes another $500, now with dual subs, a nice set of bookshelfs, all managed by the mini dsp, it may be time to think about electronics... But you only have a 60 watt amp so I would start there, with something like a https://emotiva.com/products/amplifiers/upa-200 and https://emotiva.com/products/electronics/control-freak to control the volume, that will get you some dynamic headroom and of course more volume if needed... So now you are about $2000 into the system and it may be time to think about a $200 dac, lol...

Hopefully that helps you get over all the BS that some people put in text about high end cd players, dac's, amplifiers, cables, ect.. them items aren't going to get you better sound that you can hear, I seen tests with cd players and amps using equipment that shows differences that the human ear couldn't hear if it was 1000 times more efficient!!! yet they advertise the results... Its all BS, speakers WILL make sound different vs other speakers, but a well made modern day dac, cd player amplifier ect will not help your system in an audible way...
Now when you get to the point of having a decent set of speakers and subs and want something a little more fancy, Sure spend the money on a name or look you like, but keep in mind that $30 muse is going to sound just like it, go in knowing you are buying it because you like the look or feeling you get when you spend the money....

PS I don't want you to think the Pioneer speakers are bad, they are nice for a cheap set of speakers, for critical music listening they are far from what I would call satisfactory, but they will play music and well, just keep in mind for $400 you can get into something that will smoke them in SQ, and then after that for $800 you can find something that will drown the $400 speakers {philharmonitors, sierra 1's, ect}, then for $1500 sierra 2's and kef 50s will be a step above them, and then to get better from there {to my ears} you need to spend much much more, to best the sierra 2's I would need to go up into the $6K area with what I have heard, and I have heard many many speakers...
 
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