Seattle Campus Shootings

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rnatalli

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It seems like this happens every week these days. What I can't understand is why these folks don't go shoot some drug dealers or crooked CEOs on Wall Street and are always targeting schools, movie theaters, etc.
 
rojo

rojo

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The people who are capable of such monstrous actions aren't mentally stable. Reason has nothing to do with it. It's tragic, unfortunate, and senseless.

Kudos to the student who tackled the psycho bastard though!

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MidnightSensi2

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It seems like this happens every week these days. What I can't understand is why these folks don't go shoot some drug dealers or crooked CEOs on Wall Street and are always targeting schools, movie theaters, etc.
I have no real idea 'why schools' ..but a few hunches:

Logistics:
-Grouped people in easy to corner areas
-Predictable (traffic flow, time of events, etc).
-No concealed carry might bring a perceived higher chance of success. (not arguing for or against guns in schools, but, I doubt they miss thinking of this)
-Low security / no metal detectors / usually poor surveillance systems and physical security.
-You don't look suspicious carrying a large bag. Even oddball bags are fairly normal on campus (specialty tools, art projects, etc. in addition to the typical backpacks)

Mental for location:
-Similar age group and demographics (They identify with the students and, in hate of themselves, choose similar victims.)
-Promising young people (crush something beautiful)
-Draws media attention: makes for a bigger impact

Mental general thoughts:
-Anger is an emotion that implies that a person can do something about the situation, which might be "humanity is evil" or some other maladaptive schema.
-The drugs used to treat depression and anxiety can have paradoxical effects (hence they have suicide warnings, and 'contact your doctor if you have violent thoughts' etc). Not saying that antidepressants cause these things, only that there is a correlation. Adhoc, not sure.


Just one thing to note..these people aren't necessarily "insane." They DO know what they are doing, that's part of what makes this stuff so scary. Sometimes they think it has some purpose or meaning, but, I remember the one shooting the guy was just a sociopath and said he 'just wanted to kill people.' But, more often, they have some 'anger toward humanity' type of vibe.
 
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herbu

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What I can't understand is why these folks don't go shoot some drug dealers or crooked CEOs on Wall Street and are always targeting schools, movie theaters, etc.
Very simple. These people are cowards, not warriors. They are crazy, evil, and cowards. They pick the targets of least resistance.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

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These people are cowards, not warriors. They are crazy, evil, and cowards.
Language like that will only end up offending the murders.
Let's try to be a little more sensitive.
 
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herbu

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Language like that will only end up offending the murders.
Let's try to be a little more sensitive.
Ha ha ha! OK... sorry...
These people are poor misunderstood individuals, likely bullied as children, scorned and rejected by a materialistic society. If we had spent more time caring and paying attention to their feelings, they could have been Peace Corp doctors and selfless contributors to mankind.

Better? ;)
 
Adam

Adam

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I liked your first summary a lot better.

There's only reason why I don't think that we should give him just enough pain medicine and sustenance to keep him alive and conscious while he's skinned from head to toe - and that's the effect if would have on the others involved.
 
mike c

mike c

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one thing that should change is that the shooter(s) should not be identified and sensationalized.

it's become the psycho way of getting recognition before offing themselves.
it's also become a competition of sorts for these psychos to one up each other.

they should be identified as John Fkn Doe #1, etc.

boohoo they've been bullied or raped ... the media has become their bullhorn to spotlight their sob story.
 
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herbu

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one thing that should change is that the shooter(s) should not be identified and sensationalized.
EXACTLY!!!
No name, no picture, no description, absolutely no identifiers in the press.
 
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MidnightSensi2

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one thing that should change is that the shooter(s) should not be identified and sensationalized.
I completely agree. News agencies are in the news /business/ though. And, sensationalization is essentially their blood money.


What are the chances of one even being in a school shooting compared to other causes of death in America?

Yes, it's terrible and there is some work to be done. But, we want a solution and course of action that is logical, legal / constitutional, reasonable, and within realistic bounds of actually being done.
 
Alex2507

Alex2507

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I just stopped watching the news so to me what they do is never a problem.

This thread is the first I've heard of these shootings.

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MidnightSensi2

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Heh. Me too.

I'm not an expert, but, I dated a psychologist for a few years lol...

Killers often transfer unresolved rage toward previous hate (or love) objects onto surrogates, or individuals resembling the original object of that hate. It could be hate of a relative, or, even themselves (hence, students ending up the victims).

This isn't unique to killers, we transfer emotions to objects/people we associate with previous emotions all the time.

Like there was that other killer guy that shot only women, perhaps anger or frustration with his own identity, previous relationships (abusive mother, absent mother, etc.).. A culture of hate toward women is probably not the cause, but, that's what the media wants to make of it because its a better selling story. ;)
 
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gene

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The people who are capable of such monstrous actions aren't mentally stable. Reason has nothing to do with it. It's tragic, unfortunate, and senseless.

Kudos to the student who tackled the psycho bastard though!

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Yes amazing that an unarmed person took down an armed person. Kinda goes against the NRA logic that a gun abiding citizen will come to the rescue in such cases ;)
 
Adam

Adam

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Yes amazing that an unarmed person took down an armed person. Kinda goes against the NRA logic that a gun abiding citizen will come to the rescue in such cases ;)
An armed person who was reloading and unable to shoot, that is. That's not meant to take away from the bravery of the guy who intervened and tackled him. Not at all. Just a comment that it's a different situation when the aggressor has the advantage of a weapon with stand off distance.
 
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markw

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Yes amazing that an unarmed person took down an armed person. Kinda goes against the NRA logic that a gun abiding citizen will come to the rescue in such cases ;)
Can you find any other examples where an unarmed citizen stopped an armed criminal?

Obviously, this was ananomoly. Armed citizens can, and do, stop crimes much more often than unarmed citizens. See this link for an example. ...or this one for another.

Would you like me to post a few more links where an armed citizen stopped a crime?
 
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GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

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An armed person who was reloading and unable to shoot, that is. That's not meant to take away from the bravery of the guy who intervened and tackled him. Not at all. Just a comment that it's a different situation when the aggressor has the advantage of a weapon with stand off distance.
I can certainly see the point you're making, Adam. However, whenever incidents like this occur, we always see comments like, "If only there was an armed "good guy" there, he/she could have stopped the felon". That's entirely possible. Or, we could have people wondering which guy is which - we can't assume that in such a panic-filled situation, that the distinction will be clear. I'm just waiting for the time when this situation arises. Throw law enforcement into the mix and we have a tragi-comic incident.

So, although I acknowledge how you and many others feel about the right to carry firearms in public, which could be helpful, depending on the circumstances, I have very deep reservations about it.
 
GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Spartan
Can you find any other examples where an unarmed citizen stopped an armed criminal?

Obviously, this was ananomoly. Armed citizens can, and do, stop crimes much more often than unarmed citizens. See this link for an example. ...or this one for another.

Would you like me to post a few more links where an armed citizen stopped a crime?
Mark, we could trade website links until the cows come home. Here's the very first link I got from a simple Google search:

Another shooter stopped by unarmed citizens - Field of View

So, the Gabrielle Giffords shooter was stopped by unarmed civilians. Neither of the websites you and I linked prove a thing. All I know, is that being in a public place with armed civilians around me, will not make me feel safe - at all.
 
Rickster71

Rickster71

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....................All I know, is that being in a public place with armed civilians around me, will not make me feel safe - at all.
I agree in as much that many of us don't feel safe.
I'd hate to have my constitutional rights to personal safety end, where another person's feelings begin.:)

That Constitution is a pesky document.
Many don't like one part or another.
If some want to remove parts they don't like (not implying you do) I'd like to change a part too.
Mine would be an IQ test for voting. Stupid people voting, it doesn't help me feel safe.:D

Edit: In before the lock :D
 
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