Is there a cable made (HDMI to RGB) for a DIG box (brighthouse provider)?

[slipperybidness]

This really is a difficult issue. For the classical arts especially symphony orchestras and opera companies this is a huge issue. They need to replace the 30% of the revenue they used to get from recordings. The BPO used to get 50% of their income in the Karajan years. The scene is difficult as these organizations are very expensive. The Minnesota Orchestra costs around 33 million dollars a year. The scene is evident all around the globe, proportion of revenue from ticket sales down, expenses up and dependence on wealthy donors up. The latter are starting to walk. If they are going to invest in setting up recording companies, then they have to be ale to protect their intellectual property and rights to their performances.

We have just suffered though a 16 month lockout of the MSO, the longest ever. There is still plenty of acrimony, especially among the oligarchs (banksters), as they lost. However some have walked.

The BPO who already have started the Digital Concert Hall have now added a label, but very non traditional. Conceiving it to reduce piracy I think was front and center. I will post about this in another thread I will start. I think any of these organizations that want to survive are going to have to generate 15 to 20 million a year in music sales, and more if possible.

Do you think that the orchestra recordings get stolen quite a lot? I'm seriously asking, it would just seem to me that these aren't the hot-ticket item form people to make illegal copies of. Furthermore, it would seem to me that the typical orchestral appreciator would not steal $ from the orchestra by downloading illegally. It would seem to me that pop and indie acts would be the ones hurt the worst by illegal downloads.

I could be wrong, so please give us your opinion on the matter.

I really hate to say it, but I'm thinking that this type of music for recordings doesn't have near the following that it used to.

 

[rojo]

Are you implying that since it costs so much copying it is fine? You make it sound like a staple of life one cannot live without.

Mark, is your evaluation of BSA really that low? No, no one could possibly mean that. Let's avoid passive aggressive arguments, please.

What he was saying is that if the same movie cost $10, maybe there would be more customers and less need for DRM that only cripples tech for honest people but is pointless for those who would steal anyway.

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[BoredSysAdmin]

Are you implying that since it costs so much copying it is fine? You make it sound like a staple of life one cannot live without.

I'm not saying that. What I am telling is if the movie would cost $5, the studios would probably make up sales in volume, heck at $5 for new movie I would completely buy on the whip and a trailer. Most people would not bother with torrents if the legal copy would be so cheap.

Well, when it first came out I picked up "The Desolation of Smaug" Blu-Ray, non-3D version, but a DVD and UV for something like $20, or max $22. He who hesitates is lost.
But, you can buy all three of the original Ring Trilogy on Blu-Ray (three discs in one box) for $20. Patience is a virtue.

Without a doubt older releases are typically discounted, and sometimes one just want to watch new movie and not in mood of waiting.

The main problem of Hollywood complains buckets about piracy, add tons of DRM to fight it, yet time and time again shows the great movie still make tons of money while mediocre ones don't....
Maybe Hollywood need to make more good movies and not blame pirates

 

[markw]

Mark, is your evaluation of BSA really that low? No, no one could possibly mean that. Let's avoid passive aggressive arguments, please.

What he was saying is that if the same movie cost $10, maybe there would be more customers and less need for DRM that only cripples tech for honest people but is pointless for those who would steal anyway.

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BSA and I have known each other for some time. How we talk to each other is no concern of yours.

 

[TLS Guy]

Do you think that the orchestra recordings get stolen quite a lot? I'm seriously asking, it would just seem to me that these aren't the hot-ticket item form people to make illegal copies of. Furthermore, it would seem to me that the typical orchestral appreciator would not steal $ from the orchestra by downloading illegally. It would seem to me that pop and indie acts would be the ones hurt the worst by illegal downloads.

I could be wrong, so please give us your opinion on the matter.

I really hate to say it, but I'm thinking that this type of music for recordings doesn't have near the following that it used to.

They do indeed! That is one of the big reasons sales are down. In addition apart from cost it is a reason ticket sales are problematic. We know from good data, that the audience for classical music has never been higher. For instance the average number of hits for the Proms last season averaged 12 million hits for each of the 75 concerts. The problem is that this audience now expect it for free, and there is a lot of free stuff out there, which adds to the problem. We also know that the vast majority of that increasing audience, have never been in, and never intend to set foot in a concert hall. So we have a lot of work to do. I would say that this arena is they one where piracy is causing the most problems in addition to far too much free product.

 

[rojo]

BSA and I have known each other for some time. How we talk to each other is no concern of yours.

You're right. I'm sorry. Resuming own-business minding in 3... 2... 1...

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[markw]

I'm not saying that. What I am telling is if the movie would cost $5, the studios would probably make up sales in volume, heck at $5 for new movie I would completely buy on the whip and a trailer. Most people would not bother with torrents if the legal copy would be so cheap.

and everyone wants to be the first on the block to have something and are willing to pay a premium, just like anything else. Expidited service is extra. If they were quick enough they probably could have gotten that whole package for around $25. Now, they have to wait for the demand to die down.

Now, why they persist in loading it up with UV and every other lower version I don't know. If thsuy just offered a Blu-Ray alonge I'm sure it would be cheaper but I guess they feel the perceived value is worth it, and justifies the bloated pricing.

I have NEVER used UV.

Without a doubt older releases are typically discounted, and sometimes one just want to watch new movie and not in mood of waiting.

Again, see above.

The main problem of Hollywood complains buckets about piracy, add tons of DRM to fight it, yet time and time again shows the great movie still make tons of money while mediocre ones don't....
Maybe Hollywood need to make more good movies and not blame pirates

Well, I don't buy every movie they release. Many I'll wait to see on Netflix and then decide. And, most likely, since the curiosity has been satiated, I'll patiently wait for the price to drop.

Yeah, I'm a cheap SOB.

Again, I don't like the "bundling" they pull but at least I wind up with a spare DVD I wth which I can do what I please, even give it to my grandkids . So, that's two for the price of one.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Mark, is your evaluation of BSA really that low? No, no one could possibly mean that. Let's avoid passive aggressive arguments, please.

BSA and I have known each other for some time. How we talk to each other is no concern of yours.

This the classic case of one grumpy guy gets the other grumpy guy...

All cool here, nothing to see.. pass along

No offence taken, just making a polite and civil (yet a bit grumpy) argument

 

[slipperybidness]

They do indeed! That is one of the big reasons sales are down. In addition apart from cost it is a reason ticket sales are problematic. We know from good data, that the audience for classical music has never been higher. For instance the average number of hits for the Proms last season averaged 12 million hits for each of the 75 concerts. The problem is that this audience now expect it for free, and there is a lot of free stuff out there, which adds to the problem. We also know that the vast majority of that increasing audience, have never been in, and never intend to set foot in a concert hall. So we have a lot of work to do. I would say that this arena is they one where piracy is causing the most problems in addition to far too much free product.

Interesting, thanks for giving us some perspective.

Well, it is reassuring to know that the audience is indeed still thriving for this genre of music. Wow, if you never intend to set foot in a concert hall, you are missing a big part of the experience!

Personally, there is SOOO MUCH classical music available on old vinyl that this is how I get my fix. I can't even list the number of classical albums I have bought on vinyl for next to nothing that were new or practically new. Back before vinyl was coming back into fashion, that's part of what got me into vinyl, good old recordings for cheap.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Well, I don't buy every movie they release. Many I'll wait to see on Netflix and then decide. And, most likely, since the curiosity has been satiated, I'll patiently wait for the price to drop.
Yeah, I'm a cheap SOB.

I hear ya, Mark



btw: I might change my location to "New Joisey" this summer

 

[TLS Guy]

Interesting, thanks for giving us some perspective.

Well, it is reassuring to know that the audience is indeed still thriving for this genre of music. Wow, if you never intend to set foot in a concert hall, you are missing a big part of the experience!

Personally, there is SOOO MUCH classical music available on old vinyl that this is how I get my fix. I can't even list the number of classical albums I have bought on vinyl for next to nothing that were new or practically new. Back before vinyl was coming back into fashion, that's part of what got me into vinyl, good old recordings for cheap.

The vast back catalog is yet another issue. It is loaded with gems! Did you see my post on the new LP releases by the BPO?

I think that the concert non attendance is a refection of the reduced disposable income of the young especially, and the middle class in general. I have spent a big hunk of change on tickets this season.

I do see some hope in the AV revolution. I would never have guessed how much I was going to enjoy my music with a picture. I don't think this fact has penetrated much in the audience for this art form much at this time. Sir Simon Rattle, Sir Antonio Papano and Gustavo Dudamel are on record as declaring this trend transformative, and I agree.

If this catches on, and I think it will, then there is a vast catalog waiting to be recorded in AV. I think this will prove to be one of those moments, like the Advent of the LP, stereo and the CD, in fact more so than the CD. With the CD the excellent analog recordings could be reissued. For AV it is pretty much start at the beginning. For opera it is a no brainer. I can't remember when I last played a CD or LP of opera. In fact I will make an admission, I actually prefer opera in my home theater to the opera house and I'm not alone in that. However I also like a picture with my symphony concerts and recitals now.

I can tell you one thing, if people do not start paying for what they listen and view in this arena, we will soon only have the back catalogs!

There is a good chance of a strike at the Met at the opening of next season. The musicians have already authorized strike action if negotiations fail to produce a contract they can live with.

 

[kentaurus]

HD Fury have been fighting legal battles for many years. Now their device does not strip codes.

Just bought a device from them, while what you said is true, device would not support decrypt a hdcp encrypted signal initially, i simply downloaded and flashed a "hacked" firmware from their forums and that did the trick within a few seconds, now it outputs analog or digital decrypted

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Just bought a device from them, while what you said is true, device would not support decrypt a hdcp encrypted signal initially, i simply downloaded and flashed a "hacked" firmware from their forums and that did the trick within a few seconds, now it outputs analog or digital decrypted

with HDCP master key leaked in full few years ago I don't expect it to be much of the problem from tech standpoint. Thanks for the update!