DVDFAB website blocked

jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Good luck with that U.S. Government. Ask Gene how much effort it was to get the guy ripping off the AH site to stop. He started with hosting in the U.S.

As I predicted once we had the site taken down it popped back up at a European host.
 
H

Hocky

Full Audioholic
Good luck with that U.S. Government. Ask Gene how much effort it was to get the guy ripping off the AH site to stop. He started with hosting in the U.S.

As I predicted once we had the site taken down it popped back up at a European host.
The film industry has a bit more money and pull than AH does. haha. That is not a battle that I would personally want to be fighting. Look at what they did to the online poker world and that is a multi billion dollar generator.... effectively 100% offline for the US for years.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
Well they should shut down these activities, and especially the BD ripping software. Having these sites just revs up the arms race. It leads to more and more onerous DRM, which costs us all money and headaches. I say lock em up and throw away the key.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
That seems an awfully U.S. and Hollywood based viewpoint. As an owner of a software development company and a consumer of a lot of digital media I see both viewpoints.

I have a lot of CD's and DVDs. Some Blu-Ray. I need a way to protect MY interest.

My ability to transfer cola from bottle to a glass is paramount if I'm to participate in this econosphere. Not only does ripping keep my media purchase pristine it also increases my enjoyment through ease of use.

I know you have a RTR. How many times can tape fly over the read-head before you get loss?
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
The film industry has a bit more money and pull than AH does. haha. That is not a battle that I would personally want to be fighting. Look at what they did to the online poker world and that is a multi billion dollar generator.... effectively 100% offline for the US for years.
I'm in Kentucky and I can play online poker, for $$, anytime I want.
 
TLS Guy

TLS Guy

Seriously, I have no life.
That seems an awfully U.S. and Hollywood based viewpoint. As an owner of a software development company and a consumer of a lot of digital media I see both viewpoints.

I have a lot of CD's and DVDs. Some Blu-Ray. I need a way to protect MY interest.

My ability to transfer cola from bottle to a glass is paramount if I'm to participate in this econosphere. Not only does ripping keep my media purchase pristine it also increases my enjoyment through ease of use.

I know you have a RTR. How many times can tape fly over the read-head before you get loss?
If the tape machine has Herr Willi Studer's glass heads, then the number of tape passes is enormous. I have only restored one Revox machine with worn out tape heads and every bearing was also shot. It came out of a radio station in Alabama.

The copyright issue needs a total rethink. HDMI boards add about 30% to a receiver and are the most trouble prone part. We pay for this dollars and hassle, and guys circumventing it go Scot free. So it is useless, and we out up with it all for no purpose. We had a poster get lots of help here stripping the HDCP codes from BD for his server, and he was buying second hand discs!

So now we are saddled with analog watermarks, Cinivia. This introduces dubious phase shifts. The ink is hardly dry on the paper for this one and the criminals have circumvented it.

So we pay for another round, with the same result. So we either ban DRM and risk ending professional productions and or the ability to play it in the home.

The other option would be to register the right to play media you have paid for in any form you want on registered devices. This would require an Internet connection to view. If you bought a used disc you would have to register it in your name and pay full price which you should. This might be a better approach.

The issue is important to me now. Our musical arts are in danger, especially our Symphony Orchestras. The ticket price can never pay the freight, even when you fill the RAH which hold 6,500 people. So it is imperative orchestras start to look at selling tickets outside the concert hall like the BPO Digital Concert Hall.

I'm involved in steps here to do just that for the Minnesota Orchestra. However the world is awash in free bootlegged stuff all over the place. This is a huge problem. Organizations are having success in getting copyrighted material pulled off YouTube at last.

The organizations and the artist need to be payed for their hours of training and hard work. These type of copyright circumvention activities are criminal theft pure and simple.

I would rather see technology used to block sites like the one in question and others, than mess with HDCP/HDMI issues and Cinivia. A different approach with mandatory checking of registrations for all media via Internet, certainly deserves investigation.
 
J

JMJVK

Audioholic
Current RIAA members are ripping off most artists they sign-up, and I don't buy the "save the artist" cry. Artists makes most of their money from concerts and merchandising, and only a select few ever make it big. I enjoy music, and most of the titles I love and cherish are from the big publishers, but, as the DRM/piracy rat race escalates and it's costs moves the big labels toward an online-only model, I can only hope that the higher cost business model; and ensuing price hikes in media will foster a re-birth of small music clubs where artists can actually make a living, and then, I hope, a re-birth of small publishing outfits selling analog audio, like Vinyl records. I think the best DRM is pride of ownership, something the big labels have neglected to promote.

Peer pressure and keeping-up with the Jones is the best way to keep people buying; when having the real item has value and has status symbol appeal, the consumer wants the real deal and snubs counterfeits. When I was young, we would copy tapes and record on tape vinyl records belonging to our friends, but these were never like the originals, and tape would either "cut" to early, or would have long blank spaces on them at the end of both sides. We eventually purchased our stuff because we wanted the "real deal", without the defects.

If studios went back to analog media support, namely Vinyl, (Which is hard and expensive to properly copy, ) and lower prices, they may stand a chance for a comeback. I'm pretty sure all the litigation and DRM research as chewed more of their bottom line than what it has saved profit-wise, but who am I to judge...

Then there's the whole issue of market targeting. With years going by, marketers have been getting better at "pinpointing" the target audience of "loose-spending" consumers; which we all know to be teenagers. The negative effect is that they are all gunning for the largest market, thus making each slice of pie very small, and ignore the potentially very lucrative niche markets of the adult audio fans, which typically have more money on hand, and if they are hard to get at, once you have them, you've got a paying customer... In the nineties, the music biz went all rapp and hiphop. Fine. The kids like it. I don't. Kids downloaded it, meanwhile, I purchased next to nothing new, because so little of it pleased my ear.

These days, I'm hunting down long out-of-press records for the late fifties and early sixties in used shops. These used vinyl shop are everywhere now, and they are also selling new, locally recorded stuff, up-and-coming true artists, pouring their hearts, souls and tripes into fantastic music with minimal means. I'm spending, on average, 100$ a month on new media, and in the last two years, out of all that money, only 3 albums was new stuff from the majors. A 10~15% portion is small, local artists, and the rest is just used albums for which the majors can no longer profit.

And this is not by choice, it's what they pushed upon me. They limited my choice by not serving my tastes. I have thus resorted to exploring the past. It's oddly satisfying and definitely rewarding to discover how rich our music history is, specially if you have a thing for acoustic instruments. I'm the best prospective buyer for a device like Sony's HAP-Z1ES Hi-Res Music Player, But these idiots are so bent on preventing copy, even legitimate support media transfer, that I can't use it legally, even with my paid-for content.

The music biz is schyzo and sick. If the big labels can fall, and if the western worlds come to it's sense and reverts limits on copyrights to a shorter period, like 10~20 years, we stand to benefit, otherwise, the big labels will become nothing more than living dead corporations, big play rights collection offices for old stuff. If things keep going the way they are, they will one day decide that recording new material is "too expensive".
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
The copyright issue needs a total rethink. HDMI boards add about 30% to a receiver and are the most trouble prone part. We pay for this dollars and hassle, and guys circumventing it go Scot free. So it is useless, and we out up with it all for no purpose.
HDMI is a physical standard (and a poor one at that). HDCP and it's ilk are content protection measures. It's not good to correlate the two. 10BaseHD is a better standard than HDMI. I don't know what manufacturers where thinking back then.

We had a poster get lots of help here stripping the HDCP codes from BD for his server, and he was buying second hand discs!
Not sure what point is being made far as 2nd hand discs. The studios have upset me to the point I don't purchase new but exclusively 2nd hand. Every time I see the screen that tells me I'm a criminal just solidifies my resolve. I would rather give a person on Amazon or my local record store owner that money.

So now we are saddled with analog watermarks, Cinivia. This introduces dubious phase shifts. The ink is hardly dry on the paper for this one and the criminals have circumvented it.

So we pay for another round, with the same result. So we either ban DRM and risk ending professional productions and or the ability to play it in the home.
I don't believe there is any risk to the professional content producers. It's trivial to pirate their works. IMO it's about the same as no DRM.

The other option would be to register the right to play media you have paid for in any form you want on registered devices. This would require an Internet connection to view. If you bought a used disc you would have to register it in your name and pay full price which you should. This might be a better approach.
This would get broken also. With all the NSA domestic spying I doubt it would work. At that point if you have to have a big brother to watch a movie, I have other hobbies I would devote my energies too. I love HT, but I don't need it. I could honestly give it up if it came to that.

The issue is important to me now. Our musical arts are in danger, especially our Symphony Orchestras.
This is more an issue of younger people are not into the Symphony, or Opera, or the Tango like previous generations. We have held season tickets for our Orchestra for years now. The audience in incredibly Greying. At 41 I'm a youngster there. It's sad.


The organizations and the artist need to be payed for their hours of training and hard work. These type of copyright circumvention activities are criminal theft pure and simple.

I would rather see technology used to block sites like the one in question and others, than mess with HDCP/HDMI issues and Cinivia. A different approach with mandatory checking of registrations for all media via Internet, certainly deserves investigation.
The issue is what DVDFab, AnyDVD etc are doing isn't illegal the world over. Trafficking in circumvention in the U.S. may be but that is only one, albeit large, country.

I still have my fair use and first sale doctrine of rights as a consumer.
 
R

ReUpRo

Full Audioholic
The RIAA/MPAA efforts to block piracy only serve to impede legitimate users. In fact, looking through history, they can count on any anti-piracy technology failing. But, we can count on them not moving with consumer trends. When the technology had moved towards streaming content, they sat with their heads in the sand. Now they are without a robust content delivery system that can replace physical media.

I'm certainly not investing in having all my movies digitized to UltraViolet or other startup only to have it disappear when they go belly up or be dependent on someone else's technology bottlenecks to have purchased media (not) delivered to my connected devices as and when I like.
 
jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
The RIAA/MPAA efforts to block piracy only serve to impede legitimate users. In fact, looking through history, they can count on any anti-piracy technology failing. But, we can count on them not moving with consumer trends. When the technology had moved towards streaming content, they sat with their heads in the sand. Now they are without a robust content delivery system that can replace physical media.

I'm certainly not investing in having all my movies digitized to UltraViolet or other startup only to have it disappear when they go belly up or be dependent on someone else's technology bottlenecks to have purchased media (not) delivered to my connected devices as and when I like.
Great points. I remember Walmart rolled out a phone home service only to pull the plug on it ~18 months later. Their solution for getting your songs? Copy them to a CD and then Remaster as Redbook audio. Believe it.

At least Netflix and Amazon offer palatable solutions for streaming. Compared to cable coupled with my (and a lot of others) viewing habits it's allowed me to cut the cable and saved me a ton of cash for movies I'm really only going to watch once. And the movies I'm going to watch more than once I purchase. Used.
 
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