Possibly underpowered?

[fuzz092888]

Sounds reasonable to me

Better clear my internet history so she doesn't find this thread.......

 

[droseofc]

Reply from Klipsch, confusing tho is it the tweeter or woofer he was initially concerned with..
Danny,

I understand, we just get the angry call when the tweeters blow and replacement tweeters may take 90-120 days to obtain. You should be fine in most cases, avoid reaching anywhere near the half-way volume level and if you do hear any amount of crackle or distortion, you will want to lower the volume level.



We do not suggest bi-amp. Bi-amping is much more complex that just hooking up another channel from your integrated home theater receiver. It does not help gain any more Power to the speaker (you do not need the extra power to drive the 1 inch tweeter, but do need the power for the larger dual woofer drivers…if you have 100 watts per channel, then you have 100 watts per channel). Setting the main speakers to small (even the RF-62 II) and using the 80Hz as a starting point for setting the crossover is a good place to start.



I would replace the rear home-theater-in-a-box speakers as soon as you can as you will likely not get a proper calibration setting of all of the speakers if there is a power or sonic imbalance (power and sensitivity of the speakers also a factor)…yes, it becomes a bit of a domino effect until you get everything in place. You are well on your way.



Dual subs will also be more complex, as placement of just one subwoofer will be room dependent upon the acoustical properties of the room. Your listening location placement is also a major factor. Calibrate each one separately then add the two together. Keep experimenting…you will dial it in with a little patience and it will sound great!

 

[fuzz092888]

You do need more power for the woofers theoretically, but with a sensitivity that high, as long as your room isn't huge then they should be filled easily with 100 watts per channel. Plus the receiver is capable of more than that for short transient peaks. Cross them over and there's no way you should be running out of steam.

Generally people blow tweeters from shorting something out, or blatantly abusing the speakers by turning them up well beyond what they were ever meant for. Although blasting it with highly distorted music has been known to blow a driver every once in awhile as well.

 

[droseofc]

To me it seems pretty abnormal and as usual bad luck that after gettin just about everything else new but the receiver that all of a sudden itd start going out. It is same basic timeframe others experienced I just think it's crazy. I guess electronics do get jealous. Ive never had a problem of any sort with it until last night when , of course, I had a friend over to show it all for first time. I checked wires and cables everything is fine, nothing touching

 

[droseofc]

So even if I took the two rears out and then used those outputs to bi-amp the fronts it wouldn't then have that power available that once was running to the rears? Or at least the receiver having not having to run as hard since it no longer has to have power for the 2 rears?

 

[fuzz092888]

So even if I took the two rears out and then used those outputs to bi-amp the fronts it wouldn't then have that power available that once was running to the rears? Or at least the receiver having not having to run as hard since it no longer has to have power for the 2 rears?

Odds are they are stealing power from your mains, but you have to understand that with your front 3 speakers, not accounting for room gain, in order to reach THX reference levels (average not peak) you only need about 1 watt if you're sitting 12 feet away. Lets be clear that the majority of people don't listen to anything at THX reference level since they find it wayyyyy too loud. Basically this means that once everything is calibrated by Audyssey, if you turn it up to 0 (or whatever that equates to on the other scale) you're using about a watt per speaker for your front 3 speakers and even less for your surrounds unless there's a big peak. Furthermore, the power requirements will never be maximum for all 5 speakers at once, that's just not realistic for 99.9999% of source material. With efficient speakers, your power requirements are so minimal to get to where you need to be that's it's almost laughable for someone to suggest you'll overdrive those things, unless you're being careless or abusive with them. Your eardrums will probably blow before the speakers or amp will.

So no, don't biamp anything. Especially since it's not really doing anything anyways. Active bi-amping is another story, but that ain't what's being suggested.

 

[droseofc]

Odds are they are stealing power from your mains, but you have to understand that with your front 3 speakers, not accounting for room gain, in order to reach THX reference levels (average not peak) you only need about 1 watt if you're sitting 12 feet away. Lets be clear that the majority of people don't listen to anything at THX reference level since they find it wayyyyy too loud. Basically this means that once everything is calibrated by Audyssey, if you turn it up to 0 (or whatever that equates to on the other scale) you're using about a watt per speaker for your front 3 speakers and even less for your surrounds unless there's a big peak. Furthermore, the power requirements will never be maximum for all 5 speakers at once, that's just not realistic for 99.9999% of source material. With efficient speakers, your power requirements are so minimal to get to where you need to be that's it's almost laughable for someone to suggest you'll overdrive those things, unless you're being careless or abusive with them. Your eardrums will probably blow before the speakers or amp will.

So no, don't biamp anything. Especially since it's not really doing anything anyways. Active bi-amping is another story, but that ain't what's being suggested.

Ya I think thx reference is 0 on one volume scale and 82 on other I think anyways, but neither is used and if it is its pretty brief. I wasn't sure since this receiver had option through settings to either have bi-amped fronts or surround backs if it was actually something that would be useful rather then just doing it on a unit that doesn't have changeable setting. I'll leave it as is and trust you I was just wondering. What would you set the crossover for the RF-62II's? Audyssey puts them at 40 but I have always changed either from 60-90.

 

[fuzz092888]

Ya I think thx reference is 0 on one volume scale and 82 on other I think anyways, but neither is used and if it is its pretty brief. I wasn't sure since this receiver had option through settings to either have bi-amped fronts or surround backs if it was actually something that would be useful rather then just doing it on a unit that doesn't have changeable setting. I'll leave it as is and trust you I was just wondering. What would you set the crossover for the RF-62II's? Audyssey puts them at 40 but I have always changed either from 60-90.

40 seems a bit low. I'd probably just stick with 80 since that's THX recommended without knowing more (i.e. without some measurements or hearing for myself).

 

[droseofc]

So the receiver hasnt had problem since it 1st happened so I googled "nba 2k14 hdmi" and sure enough going by results it is just the game. I figured since this model also according to search results was having issues with hdmi board that the unit was going out, but since they already said theyd do a one time out of warranty repair and Ive already emailed requested info back idk what to do. Risk having it fixed and end up with problems or since it has a history of hdmi board going out go through with it or should I tell them nevermind even though im out of warranty?

 

[fuzz092888]

So the receiver hasnt had problem since it 1st happened so I googled "nba 2k14 hdmi" and sure enough going by results it is just the game. I figured since this model also according to search results was having issues with hdmi board that the unit was going out, but since they already said theyd do a one time out of warranty repair and Ive already emailed requested info back idk what to do. Risk having it fixed and end up with problems or since it has a history of hdmi board going out go through with it or should I tell them nevermind even though im out of warranty?

I'd almost be inclined to have them do the repair, but at this point it's a total coin flip. I will say that even though the turnaround times don't seem to be Onkyo's strong point, I can't remember reading about many people having further issues after getting it back. I mean, it could very well be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Maybe give it one more week and see if it bugs out again. If not, then possibly hold off. If it shows any signs of anything ship it out and hope for the best.

 

[droseofc]

I'd almost be inclined to have them do the repair, but at this point it's a total coin flip. I will say that even though the turnaround times don't seem to be Onkyo's strong point, I can't remember reading about many people having further issues after getting it back. I mean, it could very well be a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. Maybe give it one more week and see if it bugs out again. If not, then possibly hold off. If it shows any signs of anything ship it out and hope for the best.

I know im 50/50. Half is thinkin its free im out of warranty plus on this model it has been known to have hdmi board issues so replace now or other half is thinkin im 99% sure it's just an issue with the game not the receiver so taking a chance with diff hdmi board or whatever it is that it could be faulty. The repair place is just local so no shipping which is a plus. You think this is a one time deal or can I save the offer lol

 

[fuzz092888]

I know im 50/50. Half is thinkin its free im out of warranty plus on this model it has been known to have hdmi board issues so replace now or other half is thinkin im 99% sure it's just an issue with the game not the receiver so taking a chance with diff hdmi board or whatever it is that it could be faulty. The repair place is just local so no shipping which is a plus. You think this is a one time deal or can I save the offer lol

My guess is that the longer out of warranty you get the less likely it will be that they'll offer you a freebie again. Especially if they keep it on record that it was offered.