Cinenova grande amp?

[MakeYouTap]

I was given a 5 channel and 3 channel cinenova grande amps. ive never owned a power amp and was so excited to hear a difference in my set up. I have a onkyo 809 av receiver, klipsch sf3 towers. I hooked the 3 channel up with rca wires. I could not tell any difference with the amp. for a amp to cost over $2000 shouldn't I hear difference?

 

[fuzz092888]

Not necessarily

 

[ImcLoud]

If you had enough power with your avr why would a power amp make it sound better? an amp is an amp {for the most part}.... Nothing is going to help them klipsch, jk..., but seriously them speakers are pretty efficient and only handle around 150watts so don't need much power at all to get loud, if you want better sound, change your speakers, sell them amps and put the funds towards a nice set of speakers...

Headroom will make sq improve, but only when you don't have enough to begine with , so if you have 100w and the speakers only need 20w to get to your desired listening level, having 400 watts is not going to make an audible difference.. BUT if you have 100w and your speakers need 150 to get to your desired spl/db and you are driving them amp past its capabilities 400w will sound better and noticeably...

 

[MakeYouTap]

my speakers are rated at 100 watts max. the amp is rated at 300 watts. the onkyo is rated at 135. I know it dosent put out that. is It possible the speakers are sounding as good as they will ever sound? fyi I hooked them up to my deff tech towers that are rated up to 250 watts still no difference in sound.

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

I was given a 5 channel and 3 channel cinenova grande amps. ive never owned a power amp and was so excited to hear a difference in my set up. I have a onkyo 809 av receiver, klipsch sf3 towers. I hooked the 3 channel up with rca wires. I could not tell any difference with the amp. for a amp to cost over $2000 shouldn't I hear difference?

You wouldn't hear any difference even if the amp costs over $2 million as long as the levels are matched and the amps are not overdriven.

 

[ImcLoud]

But what I am saying is, you are not going to notice a difference until you push the avr beyond its limits {or close to} sure the more headroom the better, but its not going to make the sound "great" at lower levels, an amplifier is an amplifier... An $18 lepai 2020i will sound just as good as your grande until you push it close to or beyond its capabilities... Since you are running efficient speakers, you don't need much power to make a lot of sound, so you are not going to see any benefits in sq with more power....


Get a better set of speakers and you will get better sound...

like acu said, same level same sound {unless you are trying to get a higher level out of the avr, for instance you want 98db at 25 feet and only have 80w when the speakers need 80-100 to do it, you will run into clipping and all kinds of issues.. As a rule I don't like to push an amp past 70% of its capabilities, that leaves 30% headroom, if its for HT, that is more of a burst of poer here and there with the hard ranges taken care of by the subwoofer, music is a different story...

 

[MakeYouTap]

I would like to get in to the high end sound that ive heard from the home theater place down my way. if the amps will make a big difference with a better set of speakers then that's what ill do. also I have a dedicated home theater, thats where im using the deff teck 5.1 system. im using a Marantz sr7002. Its rated at 100 per channel. would the 5.1 make sound better? im new to this stuff.

 

[ImcLoud]

Let us know exactly what you have presently, what your budget is and room sizes... In a designated HT, I like to see dual subs and a really strong front 3 with some decent surrounds, power is going to depend on speaker choice, desired db, and room size/seating position.. Most of the time people that have a current ht, just need better subs, for some reason, everyone that is not on the board has crappy subs, lol... Most of the issue being there are not many B and M stores that sells a decent sub for a decent price..

 

[MakeYouTap]

thank you guys for quick response. so ive herd many people say that the klipsch are efficient. is that a good thing? or just a good entry level speaker that does not need the extra stuff to make them sound good for the vast majority of people. i want a system that knocks you down with clarity and bass and is undeniably better than any best buy store can put out. in other words when i have get togethers i want them to here what i hear.awsome sound that they are not used to.

 

[ImcLoud]

What do you want to spend? you want 5 channels for movies 2 for stereo and music...


For instance you want a good 2.0 system that will sound clear and look impressive....

a pair of these Swan Diva 6.1 floorstanding loudspeaker, single
with one of these https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/rr2150.html $650 in b stock for a total of $1650 will play music very well

Or if you want 2.2
Dual SB-1000
with a pair of these Sierra-1 Bamboo Loudspeaker
this preamp USP-1 Stereo Preamp | Emotiva Audio | High-end audio components for audiophiles and videophiles, spanning 2-channel music systems, as well as 5.1 and 7.1 home theaters. Products include multichannel amplifiers, stereo amplifiers, and monoblock amplif and one of your amps would be nice and cost you around $2500

For HT just find a front stage you like the sound of {I prefer a strong bookshelf speaker}, a pair of strong clear well made subs {HSU research VTF2's as a starting point}, and a decent pair of inexpensive surrounds, you can probably get by with what you have..

I am not a klipsch fan, and not crazy about horns in general although klipsch may be the worst at it... BUT IF IT SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS< your money, your house, your ears, you have to demo what you buy and make some choices...

 

[MakeYouTap]

theater room is 21x13. def tech bp7006 towers and the surrounds that come with that package. klipsch 12 down firing sub.(weak im my opinion) Marantz sr7002, the systems sounds good to me but i know it can be better an im willing to waste the money to do so. in the game room i have the klipsch towers with a klipsch 10 sub. i hooked up a klipsch beside my deff tech and i could only hear the klipsch so that's why i think i like the klipsch better. since i have the amps for free i don't mind spending $5000 on speakers if it will do what i want. but if i have to buy a $2000 av receiver and a bunch other stuff ill pass. btw im having trouble typing on this fourm. im having to back out and back in to type with out it freezing up. its just this site, no problems on any other site.

 

[ImcLoud]

If I were looking to spend 5 K on 2 systems...

VTF-3 MK4 DualDrive Package this set of subs, put one in each system... $1500 on sale...

then for the speakers you really should demo some stuff, but I would go with bookshelfs over towers, Philharminitors, Carnegie CSB1's, Ascend Sierras series 1 or 2, MAggie mmgs, ect ect ect there are tons in your range....


As far as spending money on a reciever, I buy the cheapest ones I can get with the functions I am looking for..
MARANTZ SR5007 100w x7 NetworkingTheater Receiver w/AirPlay 3D 4K | Accessories4less will do just about everything...

 

[MakeYouTap]

I was told I need a receiver that has xlr connections to use the amps to there capabilities. is that true?

 

[PENG]

I was told I need a receiver that has xlr connections to use the amps to there capabilities. is that true?

Not true, unless the length of your interconnects are really long. If you tell us your room dimensions and how loud(SPL in dB) you listen, we could probably provide more suggestions, otherwise I think IMC have pretty much answered your questions in great detail already.

 

[MakeYouTap]

the theater room is 21x13 and the speaker wires are long runs. 50 ft is the longest run. not sure of db level but I like it loud. vibrating floors and walls. is 50ft to long to run rca? if so ill upgrade the Marantz to one that has xlr. once again thanks.

 

[ImcLoud]

not the speaker run the run from the preamp to the amp, just use rca's it will work perfectly...

the most important thing to get the house shaking is the subs, I use dual vtf2's and we are watching Last Vegas rite now, during the music/club scenes it is impossible to hear anything but the music and its not turned up louad at all, subs are at 25-20% and master volume is at 42- so less than half way....

 

[PENG]

the theater room is 21x13 and the speaker wires are long runs. 50 ft is the longest run. not sure of db level but I like it loud. vibrating floors and walls. is 50ft to long to run rca? if so ill upgrade the Marantz to one that has xlr. once again thanks.

Sorry you did mention the room dimensions earlier. 21X13 isn't consider big, assuming it is 8 to 10 ft high and not much more. Once gain, Imc got your questions covered, we are talking about the interconnects between your AVR and power amp, anything less than 3 meters long you shouldn't need XLR. XLR basically helps cancelling some noise due to long interconnect runs, they don't magically give you better sound quality. For better sound, focus on the speakers first, then if they happen to be of the low impedance and/or low sensitivity type then you may benefit from adding a power amps.

 

[walter duque]

the theater room is 21x13 and the speaker wires are long runs. 50 ft is the longest run. not sure of db level but I like it loud. vibrating floors and walls. is 50ft to long to run rca? if so ill upgrade the Marantz to one that has xlr. once again thanks.

I hate to tell you, but if you like a system that's vibrating floors and walls you're just getting into the hobby, that's not what good sound is all about. Now if you would hook them amps up to some real Klipsch you would notice a difference for sure. These are some good amps.

 

[MakeYouTap]

I hate to tell you, but if you like a system that's vibrating floors and walls you're just getting into the hobby, that's not what good sound is all about. Now if you would hook them amps up to some real Klipsch you would notice a difference for sure. These are some good amps.

Yea I'm learning slowly. I want to use these amp because I've heard so many good things. I'm glad of sites like this where I can get advice without feeling like your trying to sell me something.

 

[walter duque]

Yea I'm learning slowly. I want to use these amp because I've heard so many good things. I'm glad of sites like this where I can get advice without feeling like your trying to sell me something.

It's the speakers, not the amps. When I said real Klipsch I am talking about these http://www.klipsch.com/heritage-floorstanding-speakers anything other than these are just cheaply made Chinese speakers with a Klipsch badge on them, it's all about marketing and profit. Than again I am not trying to sell you anything.