Would like some feedback on my setup

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Justin DeWitt

Audioholic Intern
So you actually got the receiver. You really don't need an external amp for Klipschs, but of course you have the Karaoke stuff so it's probably easier that way.

Looks like you got an old conference room projector. I had one of those types for a while and honestly didn't see a huge difference between it and the 1080p projectors. I can't really see that well anyway. My main reason for upgrading was the lens shift.

If you're redoing you're room use a legit IB sub. Seriously those things are sick.
I will definitely look into the IB sub! Thanks :)
 
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Justin DeWitt

Audioholic Intern
What do you think about these 2 Channel 4500 Watts Professional Power Amplifier Amp DJ Stereo Musysic Sys 4500 | eBay amps since you know a lot about pro audio. I was thinking about giving away my Cinepro amps and get a stack of these amps. How would these compare to the Pyle amps??
The Musysic amps really haven't had concerns over major gain drops, bad clipping issues, or overheating so to that they are good amps. The power rating though on them does mislead a lot of people. The amp is a 2 channel rated at 4500 watts. The wattage rating is likely factored as a balanced amp against 115 volts at 2 ohms of resistance. Given drops from non-balance outputs in music play you would drop to roughly 2500-2800 total watts at 2 ohms. 4 ohms of resistance would put you around 1400-1600 and 8 ohms somewhere around 800-900 watts total or 400-450 watts per channel given you are running the amp off of a power conditioner which would provide the amplifier with peak voltage. If you are simply plugged directly into the wall I would drop another 20% off the wattage as a rough estimate. When all said the 4,500 watts will relay to speakers as low as 320 watts per channel.

Regarding comparing them to Pyle the comparison is similar. Both companies tend to overstate amps and neither amps provide built in ground loop protection. Their sole purpose is to provide cheap power but if you are looking to use them you will need to build up your system around them, i.e. filters and insulators to kill any hum from ground loops, a power manager to ensure you are getting peak voltage, and run a lower ohm speaker. Cinepros are known to provide good dynamic range and the power outputs are more true as they tend to factor their wattage against a higher resistance and lower voltage threshold so depending on the size of your Cinepro amps the mysysic may be a good amp and it might not be. If you have a 2,000 watt per channel cinepro amp then I will almost be certain you will find a cut in power between the two. Additionally, it depends on the use. If you are looking to use it for a theater application than the wattage drop may not be as big a concern, however if you listen to a fair amount of music through the system than I would probably suggest something else.
 
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Justin DeWitt

Audioholic Intern
Well, that certainly sounds like fun! Are you really saying that you did all this, with the AV gear for under $10K? If so, then that is pretty good. I'm more the type to spend $10K on the gear and then worry about the other stuff ;)

I would not have made the same choices on the AV gear, but to each his own. At least you are doing acoustic treatments too, that is an area that is often over-looked that can easily add to the quality of the sound.
I completely agree with you. A lot of people tend to forget about adjusting the room around the system and it leads to drops in sound quality. My goal is to create a cinematic experience with as little drop in sound from one seating area to the other as possible. I am a lover of dynamic sound and personally feel it changes the whole cinema experience when you can "feel" the action and immerse yourself in the sounds of the movie. Additionally, we are using this room as a multi-tenant solution for the family. It works as a cinema, karaoke bar, dance club, and gaming system so the acoustical treatment is all that much more important.
 
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lsiberian

Audioholic Overlord
I completely agree with you. A lot of people tend to forget about adjusting the room around the system and it leads to drops in sound quality. My goal is to create a cinematic experience with as little drop in sound from one seating area to the other as possible. I am a lover of dynamic sound and personally feel it changes the whole cinema experience when you can "feel" the action and immerse yourself in the sounds of the movie. Additionally, we are using this room as a multi-tenant solution for the family. It works as a cinema, karaoke bar, dance club, and gaming system so the acoustical treatment is all that much more important.
If you haven't bought the speakers yet. I suggest JTRs they are legit dynamic theater speakers with pro level performance. You could put the mains behind an Acoustically transparent Screen with a false wall. Head room is king you want a speaker you know won't distort in high action scenes. A great system can be used for viewing symphonies, rock concerts, and movies.

And seriously get better subs. I know it's hard to trust what you haven't heard, but believe me a proper base setup transforms the audio experience. Let us help you and you'll be glad you did. Thor's hammer will thank you.
 
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TheHills44060

Junior Audioholic
The NEO Karaoke Player looks like tons o' fun so thumbs up on that but stay away from the crummy Monster power unit. Too many quality affordable options to reduce yourself to buying from Monster.
 
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Justin DeWitt

Audioholic Intern
If you haven't bought the speakers yet. I suggest JTRs they are legit dynamic theater speakers with pro level performance. You could put the mains behind an Acoustically transparent Screen with a false wall. Head room is king you want a speaker you know won't distort in high action scenes. A great system can be used for viewing symphonies, rock concerts, and movies.

And seriously get better subs. I know it's hard to trust what you haven't heard, but believe me a proper base setup transforms the audio experience. Let us help you and you'll be glad you did. Thor's hammer will thank you.
I will definitely take the advice and check out the speakers. Regarding the subs though, I honestly have tested a large amount of subs for this installation. It was one of the first items I did a significant amount of research and personal testing on. Although Accoustic Audio is a generic brand and a lot of what they have isn't worthwhile, the 12inch subs they produce are honestly astounding. They provide crystal clear bass even at full load without distortion. The boxes are solid oak, weigh over 40 pounds each and are very well sealed. The speakers are 12 inch 2ohm Kevlars cone subs. They are powered but I didn't want to put all of my reliance on accoustic audio internal amps which is why they are amped outside the enclosures. The crossovers honestly do eliminate all sounds except for the bass and the ability to set the phase and hz of frequency really does allow you to adjust them to both the room and speaker setup.
The bass from the two that I have hit so hard that it actually can jar your teeth. The sub low frequencies go they run balanced all the way down to 15hz which gives you the low range dynamics that you look for in a theater setup. I know I am promoting them a bit but I am sticking by these honestly. They are worth a look!
 
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Justin DeWitt

Audioholic Intern
Hey, just a quick update, I got the 1st pt8000 amp set up in the room and balanced. 2 things I will say on it is that the pt8000 does push less power per channel than the pt3300. I haven't hooked it up the gauges yet to measure but from a listening perspective alone I would estimate a 20% drop in total output. That being said, the amp is producing a small amount of ground feed but that is coming still from the cable box not the amp itself and we have a service call scheduled to get the cable company here to resolve the problem with the main lines. Outside of those items I have no concerns just from the initial test run with the amp. It is extremely large (3 times the size of the pt3300) and weighs 58.5 pounds. The upside of the amp though is that it provides the ability to input direct channels into each output line so it made the pre-out setup from the Marantz easy. Each channel also is independent of the others and the gains can be set for each individual channel as well as phasing and balance which is a great feature for the installation. The system is bridgable and I tested the bridge functionality. When bridged to two channels the output did seem to exceed the pt3300 output however the individual channel power output is sufficient for the install. I failed to mention them but I also have 2 ppeq150 10 band equalizers (1 for mains and rear and one for center channels) which allow me to adjust clarity to the speaker configuration and really set the amp up for optimum output. I ran a test yesterday, after the house was empty, running the amp at 100% gain sets for all channels and at 85db from the Marantz for 15 min with music, 5 min with pink noise, and 5 min db sound scale testing. The amp never clipped and the sound quality never distorted on any of the channels. This is a plus above the pt3300 which would clip around 75db at 90% gain and cause distortion in bass and midrange so the power loss between the two seems to equal out on the high end with clarity. The amp also stayed very cool. I tested the amp for a little over 3.5 hours and the amp stayed very cool the whole time.

The Marantz is doing a great job of running a balance in the audio and it did upscale the HD picture quality from the stand alone HD input I was initially using. The only issue I have had with the Marantz is that our Blu ray player was clipping the audio and causing the feed to cut every 5-6 seconds. I adjusted the output settings, traded HDMI cords but nothing fixed the issue. I tested it on other input lines on the unit and it did the same thing. Additionally, it is the only component that is doing this. For the temporary solution, I kept the HDMI spliter that I initially had on the setup and ran the video feed from the blu ray directly to the projector and the audio feed into the pre pro via the digital audio out. This fixed the cutting however the trade off was the loss of the Marantz screen controls during movie play on the blu ray and there is now an extra set of steps involved (switching channels on the spliter as well as switching audio controls on the pre pro) to set up this view. I plan on pulling a player from another room to see if there might be a compatibility issue with the LG. If that is the case I will simply trade out units for the time being so I can restore the ease of function for the blu ray. On a bad note however, our Minix system failed to make it here due to a shipping label issue and apparently was routed back so we may require a re-order which could take up to 2-3 weeks to get here so that component is still on the list of installation.

I will try to get some photos out of the setup as well soon.
 

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