tricky question for you guys

[dyna962007]

Ok guys here is my issue. I just bought a nice used Denon AVR 1705 6.1 Channel 770 Watt Receiver.
My Samsung plasma series 400 TV PN 42B400P3D only have coaxial and optical outputs on it so I will be using this receiver with it to create a home theater system for a bedroom.
This is only going to be a 2.1 system.
I am not sure if the TV will output both 5.1 and 2.1. It may only output 5.1.
No matter that will be my input to the Denon.
My question is this, this Denon has a healthy audio powered output of course for the left and right speakers but it only has a sub out, not a low frequency/sub powered out. So this means I will have to buy a powered sub right?
There is no way to use one of the extra channels out powered output for a passive type sub?
I didnt know if there was a way to get a powered low frequency signal out of it or not.
If I DO wind up getting a powered sub, does it mater if the sub has a crossover built in since the sub out of the Denon has fully adjustable crossover points?
Thanks, Mike

 

[Nomo]

Yes. You will need a powered sub.
Any decent subwoofer will have a crossover, but you would be best to let the Denon handle that and set the cross over to it's max setting.

 

[Adam]

Silly me. I answered this exact same question in another thread.

 

[Nomo]

Gotta love the dual posts.

 

[dyna962007]

ya dont really have to love em? I actually hate them, but alas, I am guilty LOL

 

[Adam]

I was just giving you s**t. No worries, man. We're happy to help if we can.

 

[dyna962007]

I know buddy, I know

 

[Stanton]

Since you've already decided you're going to use a receiver for a "2 channel" system, I don't see why you need a sub at all.
The receiver automatically down-mixes the 5.1 -> 2.1, and you can route .1 information to the mains via the menu. Saves a lot of trouble.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

My TV's outputs will be used to connect to receiver.

Why? Only possible case I could see for that is you'll be using OTA antenna and TV build-it tuner

and b) it is much more likely that your TV will output digital 2 channel pcm rather than 5.1 dolby digital

 

[Adam]

...it is much more likely that your TV will output digital 2 channel pcm rather than 5.1 dolby digital

I think that you switched gears from using the TV for OTA broadcasts to using it for HDMI inputs without saying so. I get 5.1 Dolby Digital from OTA broadcasts all of the time.

 

[dyna962007]

I must have said something that confused you guys, but I assure you I am more confused than you are.
not sure what some of this means that you guys are talking about and I didnt think I switched gears.
At first I was asking how to use my logitech system with a TV that only has an optical out and then even
if I overcame that with a converter, how then do I control the functions without a remote since the logitech only has a wired remote.
Then someone suggested getting an inexpensive used receiver off of ebay with remote and integrate it.
So I now have the receiver and trying to figure out if I an use it now with the logitech or not or I need a seperate powered Sub.
I was thinking I could use the logitech just for the sub. Take the sub-out from the receiver to the logitech sub.
Then for the left and right fronts, use the outputs from the receiver and thus use the remote to control it all.
I'm sorry if I didnt explain better.
This set up is hooked up to charter so there is no open air broadcasting if thats what your referring to guys, mike

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

I think that you switched gears from using the TV for OTA broadcasts to using it for HDMI inputs without saying so. I get 5.1 Dolby Digital from OTA broadcasts all of the time.

Most OTA Digital broadcast do include 5.1 DD, but it's not necessary than TV digital out will output it, the opposite is much more likely - 20 TVs tested: Which sets can pass surround sound to a sound bar? | TV and Home Theater - CNET Reviews

Thou,Adam, after I posted that I looked my 1705 and did notice it lacks HDMI. Still, if OP is using a cable box, I would rather connect the digital out from cable box straight to receiver.

 

[BoredSysAdmin]

Dear OP:
This is what I know so far
Your existing equipment:
a) Samsung PN42B400P3D TV
b) Denon 1705 AVR
c) some Charter Cable box ( please post photos from of it's back) - [so No OTA - aka TV Antenna broadcasts..]
d) some Logitech multimedia sound system

and you want to connect everything together? Am I reading this right so far?

 

[Adam]

Most OTA Digital broadcast do include 5.1 DD, but it's not necessary than TV digital out will output it, the opposite is much more likely - 20 TVs tested: Which sets can pass surround sound to a sound bar? | TV and Home Theater - CNET Reviews

I totally agree that a direct connection is better than routing through a TV, and I think that is what the CNET article is talking about. I'm not aware of any TVs that won't output 5.1 DD from their internal tuner (if they have one and a digital audio output), but I'm aware of several that won't output 5.1 when passing audio through from an HDMI input.

 

[dyna962007]

Yes sir, more or less you are correct.
The TV only has an optical out.
I originally wanted to find a way to use my logitech Z-5300 THX set up but it lacks a wireless remote.
So I bought the Denon mostly for the remote feature.
So now I will run the optical out from the TV to the optical audio in of the Denon.
Basically I am intending running a 2.1 system.
I was commenting upon the idea that I guess I had to buy a powered sub now.
But someone said it may be possible to still use the logitech sub and perhaps satellite speakers as well.
So as I pondered how I might do that, I thought of using the sub out of the denon into the logitech.
But that gets into, how do you set the wired remote to get it out of the equation and let the Denon handle that.
Also the logitech sub has three mini-jack inputs, a front, a rear, and a center/sub.
So not sure how to use those with the denon.

Dear OP:
This is what I know so far
Your existing equipment:
a) Samsung PN42B400P3D TV
b) Denon 1705 AVR
c) some Charter Cable box ( please post photos from of it's back) - [so No OTA - aka TV Antenna broadcasts..]
d) some Logitech multimedia sound system

and you want to connect everything together? Am I reading this right so far?