Tower setup with denon avr x4000

[elietania]

Hi I just bought a really nice amp denon avr x4000 and now im looking for some tower speaker... I need something with a really clear sound... it will be only for movies and video game. Im doing a 7.2 setup for now... I saw a couple of model of tower but I dont k ow how they sound because I cant try them in the store

Here some model

Polk tsi500
Jbl loft 50
Klipsh f30
Polk r50
Boston acoustic cs260 II


Thanks for your help!!

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[zieglj01]

Are you from Canada?

 

[elietania]

Yes I am


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[zieglj01]

Yes I am

Since you are from Canada, and you bought that receiver.

Then look at the PSB T6 towers, from Crutchfied Canada - sold by the each
PSB Image T6 Black Each 3-Way Dual Chamber Tower Speaker

 

[ReUpRo]

I don't have a specific speaker recommendation.

Based on the sensitivity and impedance measurements from the Stereophile review of the T6, I'd say the X4000 receiver can't do them justice.

The PSB's sensitivity is specified as 89dB/2.83V/m; my estimate came in at 88.2dB/2.83V/m, which is close. PSB specifies the Image T6's impedance at 6 ohms, with a 4 ohm minimum magnitude. My measurement (fig.1) went a little lower than 4 ohms, with a minimum value of 3.1 ohms at 415Hz, and there is also a combination of 4.5 ohms and a –45° electrical phase angle at 94Hz. While the impedance does remain at or above 6 ohms above 1100Hz, this speaker really will work best with amplifiers or receivers rated at 4 ohms.

 

[elietania]

Ok thanks for the reply ... any advice on wich one to get?

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[ImcLoud]

I don't have a specific speaker recommendation.

Based on the sensitivity and impedance measurements from the Stereophile review of the T6, I'd say the X4000 receiver can't do them justice.

I know a few people powering t6's with avr's, just curious what leads you to believe that and what you would use to power them?


Since you are using subs and this is for movies and vg, I would go with a really nice bookshelf vs a tower. you get a lot more sq for your money, less shipping, and less resonance.

Look into the ascend sierra bookshelfs. What is your budget? Did you already pick up the subs? what size room?

 

[zieglj01]

Ok thanks for the reply ... any advice on wich one to get?

Do not under-estimate your Denon receiver - people do drive PSB with receivers.
and Denon is a good one. Your call

Also look at Focal and Monitor Audio

However, for surround sound with good subwoofers - bookshelf speakers is a good
option to go with. If you can handle the shipping, there are some nice options in
the USA.

 

[ReUpRo]

I know a few people powering t6's with avr's, just curious what leads you to believe that and what you would use to power them?

Looking at the measurements quoted above, 800-20,000Hz the speaker impedance is 6Ohm and from 100-800Hz the impedance is 4Ohms with Phase going from 0 to -45 degrees the closer one gets to 100Hz. Further, the impedance dips as low as 3Ohm at some points. This is a touch load for a receiver not rated for (at least) 4 Ohm. As soon as one of the more dynamic parts of a movie kick in, the load on the amplifier section will go up exponentially compared to the quiet sections. I would not be surprised if the OP has the receiver shut down as soon as an explosion or movie soundtrack kicks up, even at moderate listening levels. Subwoofers will not alleviate this situation since we are dealing with frequencies well into the main speaker territory.

I would recommend any 200W RMS dedicated amp over using the X4000 with the T6. Alternately, the Onkyo NR818 is rated for 4Ohm loads and should be fine.

Do not under-estimate your Denon receiver - people do drive PSB with receivers.and Denon is a good one.

The X4000 receiver is great (which is why I own it ), it shared AH Product of the Year award for receivers and may work just fine with other PSB speaker that represents an easier electrical load. But,asking it to drive the T6 is just setting someone up for a blown receiver. In good conscience, I cannot recommend it.

 

[j_garcia]

Almost no AVRs are rated for 4 Ohms, so saying that this one isn't, isn't news. That said, Denons are generally stout and I wouldn't expect to blow tweeters with it as long as one is reasonable with the volume knob.

If you really are going with 2 subs, then there really is no need for towers at all as well.

 

[zieglj01]

I am still waiting for reports where the PSB T6 towers, or the Infinity 363 towers
have shut-down, or destroyed good quality receivers.

I have driven 4 ohm speakers, and speakers that dip below 4 ohms, with lesser
quality receivers than the Denon X4000 receiver

 

[ReUpRo]

Almost no AVRs are rated for 4 Ohms, so saying that this one isn't, isn't news.

There seems to be a trend in making the amp section of mid level receivers wimpier as time goes by. An exception was the Onkyo NR818 which was (is) marketed as "Certified for 4Ohm". IMO, this is a heck of a receiver at its current price and the only egregious feature omission is Audyssey SubEq HT. The lack of this feature may or may not be of consequence to a user.

I am still waiting for reports where the PSB T6 towers, or the Infinity 363 towers
have shut-down, or destroyed good quality receivers.

I have driven 4 ohm speakers, and speakers that dip below 4 ohms, with lesser
quality receivers than the Denon X4000 receiver

I do not subscribe to your blase attitude. Further, I'm confused by your undermining my genuine concern wrt X4000 amps bring able to drive the T6.

Can 4Ohm speakers be driven by the X4000 or any other mid level receiver? Absolutely! Should someone drive 4Ohm speakers with any mid level receiver? What's the worst that will happen, a blown speaker and/or blown amp.

X4000 + PSB T6 = Caveat emptor!

 

[elietania]

Hey guys thanks for the reply

The size of the room is about 17 ft by 17 I would like to spend arround 1000$ for the speakers without the sub

I wanna get 8 ohm speakers I dont wanna mess with the amp for the price they go....

I can go bookshelf but I will put them on a floor stand... any suggestions ? Thank you and sorry for my english my french is better

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[j_garcia]

There seems to be a trend in making the amp section of mid level receivers wimpier as time goes by. An exception was the Onkyo NR818 which was (is) marketed as "Certified for 4Ohm". IMO, this is a heck of a receiver at its current price and the only egregious feature omission is Audyssey SubEq HT. The lack of this feature may or may not be of consequence to a user.

Onkyo has had some quality issues with the last generation or two of their receivers though, so they wouldn't be top of my list.

Can 4Ohm speakers be driven by the X4000 or any other mid level receiver? Absolutely! Should someone drive 4Ohm speakers with any mid level receiver? What's the worst that will happen, a blown speaker and/or blown amp.

X4000 + PSB T6 = Caveat emptor!

While I agree that it CAN be done, it isn't the best idea. It does come down to a lot more factors than simply 4 ohm speakers with a given receiver. In a 7.2 setup, they'd be crossed over, removing presumably a the highest current draw range from them, so less of an issue. How loud one listens and sits from them is another significant factor. I've not seen an amp fail from driving demanding speakers, but I've seen tweeters fry with an underpowered amp and difficult speakers many times.

Hey guys thanks for the reply

The size of the room is about 17 ft by 17 I would like to spend arround 1000$ for the speakers without the sub

I wanna get 8 ohm speakers I dont wanna mess with the amp for the price they go....

I can go bookshelf but I will put them on a floor stand... any suggestions ? Thank you and sorry for my english my french is better

Yes, you have the added cost of stands with bookshelf, but since you would be crossing the towers anyway, I don't see the benefit of a tower in a setup like this or in a room that size. Plus you can then spend a little more on the mains getting nicer bookshelf speakers than you would for the same money in a tower IMO.

Take a look at the Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE, which you can purchase with pedestals to make them look like towers and then don't need stands Solid speaker in your price range and they have distribution in Canada. Three of those up front with some CBM-170SEs or HTM200SEs for the rears will be a solid setup, but just a hair over budget without sub.

CMT-340 SE Mini-Tower Loudspeaker

 

[ReUpRo]

+1 for CMT-340. The X4000 can drive these all day at ear bleeding levels .

 

[AcuDefTechGuy]

The X4000 is the replacement for the DENON 3312/3313, which has been measured by HTM to output 225W x 2Ch into 4 ohms.

But I am all for getting Satellites + Subwoofers and not expecting too much bass from towers. Let the mighty subs handle the bass. Your speakers may thank you with cleaner midrange and treble.

I think towers + subs would also be great, but more expensive.

 

[ReUpRo]

The X4000 is the replacement for the DENON 3312/3313, which has been measured by HTM to output 225W x 2Ch into 4 ohms.

Um ok. At what THD and for how long? Does the X4000 have an identical or verified equivalent amp performance? If not, the number has no bearing here.

Also, the OP is going to use the X4000 in a HT setup, so 2ch performance has no bearing here.

 

[zieglj01]

I do not subscribe to your blase attitude. Further, I'm confused by your undermining my genuine concern wrt X4000 amps bring able to drive the T6.
X4000 + PSB T6 = Caveat emptor!

What makes you think that I am suppose to agree with you?

Also, I have no real concern about that receiver - and I also,
am not a big fan of Onkyo receivers.

Have a nice day.

 

[ImcLoud]

Staying with the ascends, which in my opinion is about the best HT speaker for the money {sound wise, their finish is simple vinyl no fancy veneers}, if it fits your budget better than 3 -340s up front I have set up a system with a 340 center and a pair of 170's for fronts then Fluance bipoles for surrounds Amazon.com: Fluance XLBP Wide Dispersion Bipolar Surround Sound Speakers for Home Theater: Electronics {actually used the cheaper ones, but these are on sale so a better value}. that will keep you well under $1000 shipped and be fine for your room size, for a sub I would go with an HSU VTF2 {big surprise lol}, you won't find a better sounding system for less, when I picked my gear I demoed and listened to so many speakers I should have been committed, and picked the ascend HSU combo, never regretted it once, my HT sounds as good if not better than others I have heard costing much much more...

 

[ReUpRo]

What makes you think that I am suppose to agree with you?

I never said that you were supposed to agree with me .