Do you find yourself converting your friends?

ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
We entertain a lot at our home, and when people come over for the first time they always comment about the stereo systems. I have a designated music system in almost every room of the house, and a lot of times people ask "can you really hear the difference between that and a $200 radio?" so of course I throw a system on so they can hear it, some can't tell the difference between my 1200 watt 2.2 system and their cars radio tuned to an fm station, but others can't believe the difference in what they thought sounded "good" and what does sound "good".

So anyway we had a few friends over about 2 weeks ago {my butcher gave me a boneless rib roast that someone ordered and cancelled, we cooked it up and invited a few people over}, my friend John brought his brother and sister in law with him for dinner {they were with them when we invited them over and we had plenty for everyone}.

Johns Brother and sister in law like most others noticed the stereo systems, guitars, and juke boxes and asked us if we liked music, lol... I said "yah, we listen to more music than we watch tv" and he was really impressed with my front parlor {where I spend most of my time listening, the room has no tv}. So I asked him what his favorite song was while I turned on the dac, Their favorite song was Bruce's Human Touch, which of course I have on my ipad. As it played and I let them sit in the center, I could tell they were hooked.

Him and his wife brought it up a few times through the night, mentioning they had room in their house for a music only system, and asked what something like that costs. I told them they can get a really impressive system for under $3000 and after we ate, we gave them the complete tour of the house and I showed him my 2.2 csb1 system that only cost a couple thousand to put together, before the night was through he asked if I could make a list of what he would have to buy, and I explained you have to go and look and listen for yourself and pick what you like, since his wife was also worried about aesthetics...

We went online and I showed him a couple things, he really liked the systems with the subs and liked how "full" the room sounded when the subs were in vs out.... After a few minutes on the web he made a list...

denon 697 $250, single sb1000 for $499, pair of sierra 1's B stocks for $830 {I let him hear my sierras} so for under $2000 he would have a nice system, he also wrote down the other sites I showed him, Outlaw, emo, HSU, ect...

Well I figured he may order that stuff sometime in the future, since most people will forget about it by the time they get home, but He called me the next night and a said "I made the order", so I said "great, for under $2K that will be a nice system" BUT it turns out he spent a little more than that, he ended up buying...
An Emotiva DC1 and XPR2 for around $2200 total with all the cables the emotiva rep said he will need...
a set of Sierra towers for almost $3000 in piano black
and a pair of sb13 ultras for $3000 in piano black

SO he spent almost $10K on his first designated music system!!! He asked what I thought and I was kind of floored, I said "it should sound amazing" and he asked if I would change anything and I told him the subs are over kill and I would change is them to uls15's but when he looked them up there was no piano option so he got dual svs sb12's instead and cut the price down a couple thousand. BUT he really didn't want to, I had to convince him his room is only 300sq feet with >9 foot ceilings and with too much bass the system will be way off balance and degrade sq, his reply was "can't I turn them down?" in which I said "sure, but why spend the extra $2K on what you aren't going to use, if you really want to spend another couple thousand I would go with better towers" he agreed and liked the sierras so that was settled, I also told him he could easily get away with an xpa2 vs the xpr and save almost another $1000 but he liked how the xpr looked with the dc1?

So that's another addicted audiophile to add to the books, just dropped $8K on a 2.2 that he never heard in person {there is of course the trial period, so not too much risk there} but I'm sure he will be happy with it... I like the sierra towers a lot, I own the sb12's and have had others buy them that also love them, the xpr amps and dc1 dac I heard at emo events and they work like the others, solid equipment for a good price.

He texted me last night {I didn't see it until this morning} and said the last of it is due in today and if I had time to walk him through setting it up later on, I told him to call me when it arrives and Ill come over and set her up with him, After all I have been addicted for a long time so the hour drive up to his place is a small price to pay to get to listen to another system...
 
Adam

Adam

Audioholic Jedi
This forum, that thread title...I was all eager to read up on a how-to before next month's Twister tournament. But, noooo, it was about audio. I feel spammed, and not in a good way.







Btw, kudos on the nice systems and congrats to your friend. :)
 
slipperybidness

slipperybidness

Audioholic Warlord
Dang, way to dive in on it.

I think you could have saved him a little more with a different DAC, that one is probably also overkill for his needs (probably doesn't need one at all to be honest, but I know your opinion on the matter).
 
agarwalro

agarwalro

Audioholic Ninja
I think an extra $100 towards a UMIK-1 from CSL and a bunch of room treatment will make for a great unforseen expense. Upgraditis :D.
 
ski2xblack

ski2xblack

Audioholic Samurai
Not sure if it created any converts, but while watching King Kong the other day my buddy said, "That sounds exactly like a giant gorilla."
 
H

Hocky

Full Audioholic
A friend converted me years back and I transitioned from a $1000 HTIB before hand to multiple iterations of expensive stuff very quickly.
 
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shadyJ

Speaker of the House
Staff member
I don't want to sound like I am raining on your parade, but you don't know that you really converted him. A lot of guys just like nice things. There are so-called audiophiles out there with incredible systems but don't really use them, maybe once in awhile. If he listens to it regularly for years to come, then you will know you have made a convert. Until then he is just a guy with a nice stereo system. There is a real but not mutually exclusive difference between an audiophile and a music lover. As for me, I just sort of stumbled into the hardware side of things over the years, I wish I had known someone like me when I was 20, it would have saved me a lot of time spent listening to great music on substandard and poorly configured systems. Now that I think about it I suppose that is why I post on here and AVSforum and Hsu's forum as much as I do.
 
ImcLoud

ImcLoud

Audioholic Ninja
Sorry I didn't post in this topic yesterday, as you could probably guess I was at his house setting up his system last night, it came super sweet, he is going to join the forum {probably after the holiday} so I'll let him post pictures of it, honestly it sounds AMAZING, the emo dac is rock solid and really nice set on top of the XPR and POWER-----WAY MUCHO!!! Them ascend towers were screaming and crystal clear, I never heard them with that much power before, we didn't go into danger levels, but I can be pretty sure they handle more than 300w each, I am always amazed at the sound them tiny drivers produce...

Quote from slip-
Dang, way to dive in on it.

I think you could have saved him a little more with a different DAC, that one is probably also overkill for his needs (probably doesn't need one at all to be honest, but I know your opinion on the matter).



I would never spend that much on a DAC, I got a great deal on my xda1, then sold it for more than I paid and bought the xda2 at an emo event for less than I sold the xda1 for, so it stands me under $150 total, I love my audioengine dacs and they are under $175. Obviously the aesthetics were important to him, he spoke with an emo rep and they talked him into what he bought from them, not that that is a bad thing, where can you get a dac and that much power for that price, besides Emotiva? It does look really sharp, he honestly could have done something similar with less money but he liked it and seems to be happy as far as day one goes...

Quote from Shady-
I don't want to sound like I am raining on your parade, but you don't know that you really converted him. A lot of guys just like nice things. There are so-called audiophiles out there with incredible systems but don't really use them, maybe once in awhile. If he listens to it regularly for years to come, then you will know you have made a convert. Until then he is just a guy with a nice stereo system. There is a real but not mutually exclusive difference between an audiophile and a music lover. As for me, I just sort of stumbled into the hardware side of things over the years, I wish I had known someone like me when I was 20, it would have saved me a lot of time spent listening to great music on substandard and poorly configured systems. Now that I think about it I suppose that is why I post on here and AVSforum and Hsu's forum as much as I do.


He has a sonus that they always listens too, and one of his and his wifes concerns was they wanted it to be easy to turn on and get started, with my front parlor system I just hit the power button on the ipad and everything turns on pick my song and music is coming out, BUT when I showed them my guest suites system I had to turn the preamp on then each sub, plug in the iphone and it was kind of a process since one of the power strips was going into protect {lamp was plugged into it that my wife "washed" and will never work again, its one of them touch to light lamps, I guess you can not get them wet?} so after I got all that straightened out, it was kind of a PITA and they compared that to their sonus, which is super easy.. So that was one of the concerns for them, they wanted it to be easy just flip a switch and the system is playing music.. He has it all through the sonus now and its really simple, he bought a power strip that senses the dac turning on and turns on his subs, like the one I have in my living room. He also got a really nice amp stand {Ill let him say what that cost :eek: } and it holds everything together really well...


I tend to listen to more music than I watch TV, plus it seems like I will play the systems more often when I am alone in the house vs. if the kids are running around with their friends and my wife is in and out. They are alone in their home so I can tell they will get a lot of use from it, neither is crazy about tv and they read a lot of books so I think they will get the use out of it, I always listen to music while Im reading....
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Do you find yourself converting your friends?
No, I never convince my friends to buy smaller, lesser subwoofers.
 
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WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
We entertain a lot at our home, and when people come over for the first time they always comment about the stereo systems.
Seriously? You’re really lucky. I have a freakin’ ridiculous stack of gear, and no one ever notices or makes a comment. A shame ‘cause I enjoy “talking shop.” Can't say I've ever converted anyone..

Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
I have two friends and one neighbor converted. With the friends they came over and we built it. Paired both friends with Denon receivers. With the neighbor is was huge, used, Z series Yammy, PSB 6T's (used Craigslist) and 12 inch Dayton Reference Series sub in their sealed enclosure with 500 BASH plate amp (from last years PE Christmas blow out).
 
Swerd

Swerd

Audioholic Warlord
I'm one out of three among family members. I have two brothers-in-law who I consider audio failures.

Read about one of them here http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/steam-vent/69952-thanksgiving-audioholic-rant.html.

The other used to own some very large Maggies that sounded good if I remember, but now he has tiny little Bose speakers, and a wife who says nothing larger, or else!

And then, I have my brother Dan, who has a better set up than I do. I take full credit for that ;).
 
WaynePflughaupt

WaynePflughaupt

Audioholic Samurai
I have two brothers-in-law who I consider audio failures.
Seeing that reminded me, all my kids are audio failures. That’s right, I couldn’t even “convert” my own children, and they all grew up with a decent mid-fi system in the house, including full surround sound with subs brought on-line while at least two of them were still young.

One son I had hopes for, until he swapped out the JBL studio monitors in his HT system for in-ceiling speakers.


The other one is a total lost cause, I think. He has no system at all, just a smallish 42” TV mounted on the wall in his living room. Underneath where the HT gear would go, they store the baby carriage and all the other baby gaak they have. That’s why he doesn’t have room for a system, he says.


I’m a failure as a father...


Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
 
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jinjuku

jinjuku

Moderator
Seeing that reminded me, all my kids are audio failures. That’s right, I couldn’t even “convert” my own children, and they all grew up with a decent mid-fi system in the house, including full surround sound with subs brought on-line while at least two of them were still young.

One son I had hopes for, until he swapped out the JBL studio monitors in his HT system for in-ceiling speakers.


The other one is a total lost cause, I think. He has no system at all, just a smallish 42” TV mounted on the wall in his living room. Underneath where the HT gear would go, they store the baby carriage and all the other baby gaak they have. That’s why he doesn’t have room for a system, he says.


I’m a failure as a father...


Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
Ok,that is a new instant classic post.
 
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Pyrrho

Pyrrho

Audioholic Ninja
Seeing that reminded me, all my kids are audio failures. That’s right, I couldn’t even “convert” my own children, and they all grew up with a decent mid-fi system in the house, including full surround sound with subs brought on-line while at least two of them were still young.

One son I had hopes for, until he swapped out the JBL studio monitors in his HT system for in-ceiling speakers.


The other one is a total lost cause, I think. He has no system at all, just a smallish 42” TV mounted on the wall in his living room. Underneath where the HT gear would go, they store the baby carriage and all the other baby gaak they have. That’s why he doesn’t have room for a system, he says.


I’m a failure as a father...


Regards,
Wayne A. Pflughaupt
It is things like this that make me glad I decided not to have children. They are such a disappointment.
 
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GO-NAD!

GO-NAD!

Audioholic Warlord
I've had many people admire my HT and 2-channel setup, but nobody has followed up with good systems of their own. Disappointing, really...
 
Ponzio

Ponzio

Audioholic Samurai
It's a hobby and not necessarily a survival tool. While I'm a disappointed, especially with my fellow music collectors, I'm not freaked out over it. Like golf, stamp collecting, travel, model trains, etc., everyone has their passions. If had a dime for every time I’ve heard, “Boy if I only had the money …”, when they come over and we’re listening to my gear, I’d be rolling in luxury. They have the money; they just choose to spend it on other things.

I take smug solace in the old W.C. Fields line, “never smarten’ up a chump”. :D
 
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