What makes people belive so much in cables?

[Hobbit]

Anybody remember the Tice clock back in the 1980s? Plug it into any outlet in the house and your audio system would be transformed. I'm not making this up.

I had google this... OMG!

Tice claims that Tice Pulse Technology (TPT) "programs" the electrons to flow in a more direct path. This is said to reduce so-called "electron noise," a type of noise which Tice says they have recently discovered, and to dramatically improve the sound of a system where TPT is employed. This electron noise is said not to be related to other forms of power-line noise.

 

[Verdinut]

I had google this... OMG!

Tice claims that Tice Pulse Technology (TPT) "programs" the electrons to flow in a more direct path. This is said to reduce so-called "electron noise," a type of noise which Tice says they have recently discovered, and to dramatically improve the sound of a system where TPT is employed. This electron noise is said not to be related to other forms of power-line noise.

TPT is just another audiophoolery bullshit theory that will never change nor improve the audio rendition of high fidelity equipment. If people hear differences, good for them. The human ear doesn't hear electrons. Electrons never make detours, they always flow in a direct path!

 

[lovinthehd]

Anybody remember the Tice clock back in the 1980s? Plug it into any outlet in the house and your audio system would be transformed. I'm not making this up.

ASR just did a review of this Tice device... https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/tice-tpt-enhanced-line-conditioner-review.47063/

 

[davidscott]

Thanks for the link. I do frequent ASR though I'm not a member, but I missed this. I didn't figure thar Amir would recommend this thing.

 

[lovinthehd]

Thanks for the link. I do frequent ASR though I'm not a member, but I missed this. I didn't figure thar Amir would recommend this thing.

There's this one, too https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/tice-power-conductor-2-vintage-ac-cable-review.47074/

 

[Eppie]

Anybody remember the Tice clock back in the 1980s? Plug it into any outlet in the house and your audio system would be transformed. I'm not making this up.

https://www.stereophile.com/content/tice-r-4-tpt-coherence-electrotec-ep-c-clocks-thomas-j-norton-march-1991

 

[adaktug]

Hi,
I am new here, but have had many HT in my life, and it is a big interest of mine.
And usually for fun, i am checking on forums and usually want to scream while i laugh to people that buys 20k ethernet cables, and they can hear a difference.

What makes people belive that digital data can make any difference at all in audio? How can the whole world function with advanced databases and full Datacenters with extreme data transfer speed and accuracy, but when it comes to sound, it is impossible to convince them?

I have tried, others have tried to do it, but it is impossible.

I can get their reasoning in for example speaker cables (make no misstake i use off the shelf speaker cables, and there is no dufference) but when it comes to pure digital data, there is only 2 values, it is either 1 or 0 there is no in between.

They even discuss what optical cable to use instead of ethernet at home. And they can hear a difference in optical cables too.

My blood pressure is rising, and how can people that in many cases probably are pretty smart (many of them seem to have deep pockets, so i assume they have/had decent careers) be so stupid when it comes to audio? Like it is something magic that happens. Have they ever seen a recording studio? What cables they use?

I was just browsing here, and my mind and blood pressure could not take it anymore when i could see the thread about optical cables:

Cables

Interconnects, speaker, digital, power.

forum.psaudio.com

Even "breaking in" optical cables?

Fiber Optic recommendation?

I own several generic CAT5e, 6, 6a and CAT7 cables, as well as Audioquest Pearl and Supra CAT8. They all sound different. Yauhody CAT8 is my favourite of these; a bit chocolatey, organic, with great warmth and power, decent detail and transparency. I have invariably preferred Yauhody over Supra C...

audiophilestyle.com

I have tried to take the discussion there, but that is not "allowed" and i needed to vent and i am sorry it happend to be here. But maybe someone here have any inside information/knowledge of why? How can an optical data cable make the sound "insert some magic Word"? It is impossible.

And how can it be allowed to market for example ethernet cables that sells only on describing what it does for sound? It is false advertising.

optical cables seem to me to me high ended sound wise... else have not done much testing on optical cabling...

Cables though have been tested and compared for many years... we suggest you test cables yourself BUT
DO NOT USE the antiquated Double-Blind test process ! Hearing memory is about 2-4 seconds long
we offer the idea of using an instantaneous cable testing scheme.
see attachments...

 

[lovinthehd]

optical cables seem to me to me high ended sound wise... else have not done much testing on optical cabling...

Cables though have been tested and compared for many years... we suggest you test cables yourself BUT
DO NOT USE the antiquated Double-Blind test process ! Hearing memory is about 2-4 seconds long
we offer the idea of using an instantaneous cable testing scheme.
see attachmentsView attachment 63096...

You don't give up easily, I suppose that's somewhat an attribute. Your content, not so much....

 

[Verdinut]

optical cables seem to me to me high ended sound wise... else have not done much testing on optical cabling...

Cables though have been tested and compared for many years... we suggest you test cables yourself BUT
DO NOT USE the antiquated Double-Blind test process ! Hearing memory is about 2-4 seconds long
we offer the idea of using an instantaneous cable testing scheme.
see attachmentsView attachment 63096...

Optical cables are excellent signal carriers but they have a weakness: They are fragile. IMO balanced copper cables using XLR connectors are the best audio signal carriers.

 

[Tea]

I imagine some of it is people moving from a very thin wire to an “audiophile” grade cable and noticing a subtle improvement. The improvement is likely just from using a larger and more suitable gauge, rather than anything else.

With that said I bought Chord Epic (ducks for cover), but I’m honest with myself and bought it because I think it’s aesthetically beautiful and blends in nicely with my dark wood flooring.

 

[MrBoat]

optical cables seem to me to me high ended sound wise... else have not done much testing on optical cabling...

Cables though have been tested and compared for many years... we suggest you test cables yourself BUT
DO NOT USE the antiquated Double-Blind test process ! Hearing memory is about 2-4 seconds long
we offer the idea of using an instantaneous cable testing scheme.
see attachmentsView attachment 63096...

If you have to go thru all of that to find an audible difference in anything. . .

Still baffles me how the most OCD afflicted can sleep, knowing that in spite of their best, expensive efforts, they can allow for the regular wire hidden in the boxes at both ends of their chain. Or even if they had the actual nuts to replace it all the way to the drivers, and in thru the electronic components, how the remaining weak links would not drive them absolutely insane.

This is where the cable nutters get a snub from me. If you're going to obsess over such a thing, double down on it and insist everyone else believe it, at least have the gumption to get rid of all the faulty wire and less than noble bits throughout. This half-assed patch job of wire in between more faulty wire is just weak AF.

No matter what you say, the rest of us know you have dirty wire in your system. If you're going to OCD, at least do it right.

 

[davidscott]

https://www.stereophile.com/content/tice-r-4-tpt-coherence-electrotec-ep-c-clocks-thomas-j-norton-march-1991

Thanks, I used to subscribe to Stereophile and that's the 1st time that I heard of it. Never tempted to buy one.

 

[j_garcia]

https://www.stereophile.com/content/tice-r-4-tpt-coherence-electrotec-ep-c-clocks-thomas-j-norton-march-1991

 

[Eppie]

I only provided the link to the article for entertainment!

 

[davidscott]

The most expensive speaker cable in the world?

The most expensive speaker cable in the world? - Audio and Sound

Audioquest Everest are the most expensive speaker cables in the world at over $21,000 for 3m. Audiophiles rejoice! Forget about Pear cables, you need REAL audiophile cable.

www.noiseaddicts.com

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[mtrycrafts]

The most expensive speaker cable in the world?

The most expensive speaker cable in the world? - Audio and Sound

Audioquest Everest are the most expensive speaker cables in the world at over $21,000 for 3m. Audiophiles rejoice! Forget about Pear cables, you need REAL audiophile cable.

www.noiseaddicts.com

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I can just see some amps going into oscillation from all that capacitance of the insulated wires.
Naim of old had an issue with such and burning up.

 

[davidscott]

Never owned a Naim amp but that would have been a very expensive nightmare. I wonder how many people actually bought this cable?

 

[Mikado463]

The most expensive speaker cable in the world?

The most expensive speaker cable in the world? - Audio and Sound

Audioquest Everest are the most expensive speaker cables in the world at over $21,000 for 3m. Audiophiles rejoice! Forget about Pear cables, you need REAL audiophile cable.

www.noiseaddicts.com

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21k, chump change ...........

Oracle Matrix SHD 120 Rev. 2 Speaker Interface - MIT Cables - Music Interface Technologies

Built off of the Oracle SHD120 platform, the Oracle SHD120 Rev. 2 houses its networks inside of a CNC machined t6 billet aluminum enclosure to isolate and protect sympathetic vibrations from entering the internal network. F.A.T. technology gives the listener the ability to tune up (or down) the...

mitcables.com

 

[Verdinut]

The most expensive speaker cable in the world?

The most expensive speaker cable in the world? - Audio and Sound

Audioquest Everest are the most expensive speaker cables in the world at over $21,000 for 3m. Audiophiles rejoice! Forget about Pear cables, you need REAL audiophile cable.

www.noiseaddicts.com

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You didn't know that they have been called Fraudioquest for awhile?

 

[davidscott]

You didn't know that they have been called Fraudioquest for awhile?

Oh yeah or the new Monster? More like Monster on steroids. I hate to admit it, but I have one of their entry level interconnects in my system the Tower between my CD player and my receiver. No need to replace it as it works fine but I won't buy another AQ product.